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To: WhiskeyPapa
There is no credible evidence of more than a handful of black rebel soldiers

There is no credible evidence that "slavery is wrong". We may not like it. We may find it ethically unsupportable, but to say it is "wrong" implies a moral backdrop. Look to the moral standards that define our laws and you will find no support for your statement. You see, you can blow on and on about your opinion - cut and paste etc. But your statements are just as subject to your own pretexts. In this very thread you said that anything can be proven from the Bible. Can you prove your absolutist statement that "slavery is wrong" from the Bible? I'll be interested to see if you can cut and paste from the Bible. If not the Bible, is there some other (if there is such a thing) document that supports your statement? Maybe you didn't mean "wrong" - maybe you meant "not nice".

There were many slaves and freed blacks that fought. That you deny it means nothing to the fact. That you can find some textual "evidence" means nothing to the fact - you discount any evidence other than what you cut and paste. You yourself said that one can prove anything from your Lincoln's statements, yet you do not afford the same right to those who argue against your drivel. The fact that the Northern "liberators" never fought side by side with blacks and considered them "unequal" means nothing to you. The fact that the same great "liberators" who you laud as heroes went on after the war to indulge in an orgy of destruction in the West that cannot be characterized as anything less than the genocide of a race means nothing to you. Too bad your heroes only considered "blacks" as people and not Native Americans... Fire away with the cut and paste.
86 posted on 02/25/2003 8:54:56 AM PST by safisoft
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To: safisoft
There were many slaves and freed blacks that fought. That you deny it means nothing to the fact.

No, there were not.

There is no creditible evidence of any number of black CSA soldiers:

"It's pure fantasy,' contends James McPherson, a Princeton historian and one of the nation's leading Civil War scholars. Adds Edwin Bearss, historian emeritus at the National Park Service: 'It's b.s., wishful thinking.' Robert Krick, author of 10 books on the Confederacy, has studied the records of 150,000 Southern soldiers and found fewer than a dozen were black. 'Of course, if I documented 12, someone would start adding zeros,' he says.

"These and other scholars say claims about black rebels derive from unreliable anecdotes, a blurring of soldiers and laborers, and the rapid spread on the Internet of what Mr. McPherson calls 'pseudohistory.' Thousands of blacks did accompany rebel troops -- as servants, cooks, teamsters and musicians. Most were slaves who served involuntarily; until the final days of the war, the Confederacy staunchly refused to enlist black soldiers.

"Some blacks carried guns for their masters and wore spare or cast-off uniforms, which may help explain eyewitness accounts of blacks units. But any blacks who actually fought did so unofficially, either out of personal loyalty or self-defense, many historians say.

"They also bristle at what they see as the disingenuous twist on political correctness fueling the black Confederate fad. 'It's a search for a multicultural Confederacy, a desperate desire to feel better about your ancestors,' says Leslie Rowland, a University of Maryland historian. 'If you suggest that some blacks supported the South, then you can deny that the Confederacy was about slavery and white supremacy.'

"David Blight, an Amherst College historian, likens the trend to bygone notions about happy plantation darkies.' Confederate groups invited devoted ex-slaves to reunions and even won Senate approval in 1923 for a "mammy" monument in Washington (it was never built). Black Confederates, Mr. Blight says, are a new and more palatable way to 'legitimize the Confederacy.'"

-- Wall Street Journal, May 8, 1997

"Mr. Wickham said that our brave soldiers, who have fought so long and nobly, would not stand to be thus placed side by side with negro soldiers. He was opposed to such a measure. The day that such a bill passed Congress sounds the death knell of this Confederacy. The very moment an order goes forth from the War Department authorizing the arming and organizing of negro soldiers there was an eternal end to this struggle.-(Voice-That's so.)

Gen. Howell Cobb, an unbeliever in this expedient, wrote from Macon, Ga., January 8, 1865: "I think that the proposition is the most pernicious idea that has been suggested since the war began. You cannot make soldiers of slaves or slaves of soldiers. The moment you resort to this your white soldiers are lost to you, and one reason why this proposition is received with favor by some portions of the army is because they hope that when the negro comes in they can retire. You cannot keep white and black troops together, and you cannot trust negroes alone. They won't make soldiers, as they are wanting in every qualification necessary to make one."

-- from the debate on arming the blacks in the rebel congress, February, 1865

Walt

113 posted on 02/25/2003 10:32:11 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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