[PatrioticAmerican]

"Federal 230gr Hydroshocks for winter"

Those are the worst clothes packers of all; slow, big, and easily flattened. Speer Gold Dots have the best reputation of not packing, and the 155gr 40 cal has been shown in a number of studies, FBI included, to do the best on winter clothes, due to its high velocity (1300fps) and smaller opening. It opens better than the Hydroshocks in gelatin and through obstacles, yet, has better penetration through hard materials that flatten the Hydroshocks.

My recommendation is any Gold Dot that is of a high velocity (1100+fps), 40 or 45 cal. For 45 that would mean a 180gr, and for 40 a 155gr. I carry the 40 in 155gr.

[archy]

My recommendation is any Gold Dot that is of a high velocity (1100+fps), 40 or 45 cal. For 45 that would mean a 180gr, and for 40 a 155gr. I carry the 40 in 155 gr.

I hope the handgun in which you're using it has a full-length 5-inch barrel if you're hoping to get that 1100 FPS out of it. You certainly won't get that from a Colt Officers Model/Star PD length barrel from a .45/185, and I doubt that the 3½-inch barrel of a mini-Glock 27 in .40 will develop that velocity either.

[Servant of the Nine]

Those are the worst clothes packers of all; slow, big, and easily flattened.

I don't count on anything opening on winter clothing, so I want a big slow bullet that can do the job even if it acts like hardball. If it happens to expand, that's a bonus.

I will agree that the newer bullets like Gold Dot, SXT, Golden Saber all are improvements over the Hydroshok in reliable expansion. All by the same designer too.

Back in the old days when I was licensed I considered a 21/28 Thompson loaded with a drum of 180gr Super Vels the ultimate house gun. It also gave a feeling of security if I had to respond to a burglar alarm from my business.

So9