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American Islamic Congress
American Islamic Congress ^ | February 22, 2003

Posted on 02/22/2003 7:00:51 PM PST by Cultural Jihad

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To: McGavin999
Sorry to say I came in the middle of the interview and missed any reference to her personal story.
21 posted on 02/22/2003 8:32:19 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: nightdriver
So, you don't mind unconstitutional Judicial activism, as long as it is an unconstitutional bit of Judicial activism that you approve of?

The law of the land is the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and subsequent Amendments, not a New York State Supreme Court ruling.
22 posted on 02/22/2003 8:34:17 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Cultural Jihad
U.S. Constitution: First Amendment


Subsequently, an act of a territorial legislature which required a prospective voter not only to swear that he was not a bigamist or polygamist but as well that ''I am not a member of any order, organization or association which teaches, advises, counsels or encourages its members, devotees or any other person to commit the crime of bigamy or polygamy . . . or which practices bigamy, polygamy or plural or celestial marriage as a doctrinal rite of such organization; that I do not and will not, publicly or privately, or in any manner whatever teach, advise, counsel or encourage any person to commit the crime of bigamy or polygamy . . . ,'' was upheld in an opinion that condemned plural marriage and its advocacy as equal evils.199 And, finally, the Court sustained the revocation of the charter of the Mormon Church and confiscation of all church property not actually used for religious worship or for burial.200

[Footnote 199] Davis v. Beason, 133 U.S. 333 (1890). ''Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries. . . . To call their advocacy a tenet of religion is to offend the common sense of mankind. If they are crimes, then to teach, advise and counsel their practice is to aid in their commission, and such teaching and counseling are themselves criminal and proper subjects of punishment, as aiding and abetting crime are in all other cases.'' Id. at 341-42.


http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/constitution/amendment01/05.html#f199
23 posted on 02/22/2003 8:35:23 PM PST by ABrit
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To: nightdriver
Whatever strikes at the root of Christianity tends manifestly to the
dissolution of civil government, because it tends to corrupt the morals of
the people, and to destroy good order.

Supreme Court of New York, 1811
24 posted on 02/22/2003 8:36:09 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Cultural Jihad
DAVIS v. BEASON, 133 U.S. 333 (1890)

The act of congress does not touch upon teaching, advising, and counseling the practice of bigamy and polygamy, that is, upon aiding and abetting in the commission of those crimes, nor upon the mode adopted, by means of the oath required for registration, to prevent persons from being enabled by their votes to defeat the criminal laws of the country. The judgment of the court below is therefore affirmed.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=133&invol=333
25 posted on 02/22/2003 8:41:11 PM PST by ABrit
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To: nightdriver
Islam was declared illigitimate and not under the purview of "religion" to be protected under the First Ammentment back in 1892. (in case anyone is interested)

Very interested actually, do you have the case law or some source for this ? Thanks.

26 posted on 02/22/2003 8:45:44 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: TLBSHOW; Luis Gonzalez

So THAT's why you only condemn a peaceful religion and never the Marxist A.C.L.U., N.A.R.A.L., M.T.V., or the N.E.A.! The Muslims believe in polygamy!

27 posted on 02/22/2003 9:05:01 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
I don't believe Islam is a Religion!
28 posted on 02/22/2003 9:30:26 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
How about the High Priests of N.A.R.A.L. who practice child sacrifice upon the altar of convenience? Any word about those 40 million victims?
29 posted on 02/22/2003 9:32:41 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Easy, don't mess with "The Gifted One".
30 posted on 02/22/2003 9:39:36 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Any word about those 40 million victims?

right here abortion is the worst thing in America in fact it is a hex on America! by Americans

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/805860/posts

31 posted on 02/22/2003 9:42:01 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: DontMessWithMyCountry
Sure it's a “religion of peace”, and so much so that it speaks for itself:

Quotes from the “holy books” of the “Religion of Peace” Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)

"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)

"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).

Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)

"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).

"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)

"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)

"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)

"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)

"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)

The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362)

The Prophet had the date-palms of the Jewish tribe of Bani-Al- Nadir burnt and cut down. "It was with Allah's permission" (Koran 59:5)

The Prophet said to Sa'd, :The Bani Quraiza have agreed to accept your verdict" Sa'd said, "Kill all their men and take their women and children as slaves" The Prophet replied, "You have judged according to God's Judgment" (Bukhari 5:59:447)

"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)

These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)

"Unbelievers (Christians) are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)


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And I have a few questions for these seventh-century peaceniks and their enablers among our midst:

Why is the religion of peace directly responsible for 28 out of the 30 violent conflicts raging in the world today?

Why is the religion of peace responsible for the vast majority of chattel slavery in the world today?

Why is the religion of peace responsible for the vast majority of terrorism in the 20th and 21st Centuries?

Why are the practitioners of the religion of peace routinely slaughtering unarmed practitioners of every other religion wherever they can get away with it?

Why does the religion of peace call for the murder of anyone who converts from the religion of peace to another religion?

Why do so many of the believers of the religion of peace look forward to the opportunity to rape 72 virgins in heaven if they die while killing innocent women and children of other religions? Is it a god they worship, or just sex? If a god, then shouldn’t heaven have more to do with him than their libidos?

Why do the leaders of the religion of peace routinely issue fatwas (death warrants) for anybody who questions their holy book of peace and their holy prophet of peace?

Why is the religion of peace responsible for the sexual mutilation of millions of little girls and the savage oppression of women?

Why did millions of the practitioners of the religion of peace laugh, cheer and dance in the street because 3,000 innocent men, women and children were murdered by seventeen men who supposedly “hijacked” the religion of peace? And why don’t the real practitioners of the religion of peace condemn the supposed “hijackers” of their religion? Why the deafening silence? Why the smiles? Why the cheers and high fives?

Hmmmm?

Perhaps I just don’t understand this whole PEACE thing. Did the definition of the word change, or is somebody just blowing a lot of smoke?

Human civilization had better wake up soon and get as serious about its survival as the seventh-century savages of Islam are about our annihilation!
SLEEPING AMERICANS ARE EASIER TO KILL.
Do not be lulled to sleep by the Religion of Peace defenders.

Click here and never forget the face of Islam and what it wants for you infidels.

32 posted on 02/22/2003 9:43:01 PM PST by Thorondir
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To: Cultural Jihad

33 posted on 02/22/2003 9:44:28 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Wow! Excellent point, sir!
34 posted on 02/22/2003 9:44:51 PM PST by Thorondir
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To: Mo1
"But how does NY State laws effect the rest of the country??"

It's not a state law. It was a ruling of the meaning of the U.S. Constitution.

35 posted on 02/22/2003 9:55:27 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: sf4dubya; Mad_Tom_Rackham; Texas_Jarhead; Lijahsbubbe; sheik yerbouty; SJackson; Capt. Tom; ...
A quick look at history bears out a truth for those who wish to look at it.

36 posted on 02/22/2003 9:57:46 PM PST by Thorondir
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"So, you don't mind unconstitutional Judicial activism, as long as it is an unconstitutional bit of Judicial activism that you approve of?"

My fran, my fran, don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't say I was for or against the ruling, I was just stating what was the case. If you have an issue, take it up with the NYSSC.

37 posted on 02/22/2003 9:59:04 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
don't get too deep now! LOL
38 posted on 02/22/2003 10:00:12 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: nightdriver
Heh, heh! Now watch it explode!
39 posted on 02/22/2003 10:01:08 PM PST by Thorondir
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To: nightdriver
It's not a state law. It was a ruling of the meaning of the U.S. Constitution.

So if a state wanted to rule on whether they think a relegion is constitutional or not they can?

Doesn't that go against the First Amendement?

40 posted on 02/22/2003 10:02:10 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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