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Mideast Notebook: Desperately seeking Toilet Paper- Daily life of our troops in Kuwait(exc. read)
European edition, Stars and Stripes ^ | Friday, February 21, 2003 | Joseph Giordono, Steve Liewer and Mark Oliva

Posted on 02/21/2003 9:10:54 PM PST by xzins

Mideast Notebook: Desperately seeking TP


European edition, Friday, February 21, 2003

It’s not news that war creates shortages, both at home and among the troops.

The folks at home may be paying a bit more for gas because of the raging uncertainty in the Middle East, but V Corps soldiers in Kuwait are desperately short of an even more critical item: toilet paper.

Hundreds of soldiers have poured into Camp Udairi in the past two weeks, and some of them forgot to bring a roll or two.

Their units are still waiting for supplies to arrive from Europe. Toilet paper disappears from the shelves of the small AAFES exchange as soon as it arrives. The preferred emergency backups, moist towelettes and facial tissue, also are hard to find.

When care packages arrive from home, soldiers may nibble at the sweets, but they lunge for the toilet paper.

Another paper shortage

Next to toilet paper, the hottest commodity in the Europe-based V Corps units is Stars and Stripes. Reporters in the field are bombarded with requests for the paper, which is slow to arrive and scarce once it gets here. Since televisions are virtually nonexistent and there is no Internet access at places like Camp Udairi, Stars and Stripes is the only source of news for most of the troops.

In the Middle East arena, the distribution is out of the paper’s hands. U.S. Central Command in Tampa purchases the papers from Stars and Stripes and decides how many each unit will get and which units will get them.

Senior Stripes managers are trying to find a printing plant in the Middle East so the paper can reach troops quicker. But Central Command still would have to distribute it because Stripes employees don’t have access to the heavily fortified bases in the theater.

All this means that any effort to get more papers to the troops will have to start on the military side of the house. European Editor Deborah Absher has agreed to collect e-mails from servicemembers (or their families, since many deployed troops don’t have e-mail access) who would like to see more papers get to the front lines. You can write her at: absherd@mail.estripes.osd.mil.

Long lines times two

The safety officer isn’t always the most popular guy in the Army. He’s the one who comes up with all those sissy rules that suck up the time of the majority of soldiers who are conscientious and safety minded.

One such rule in Kuwait requires soldiers to clear their gun barrels before entering the chow hall. That’s got plenty of GIs gritting their teeth.

First, you need to understand that morning and evening chow are unquestionably the highlights of a soldier’s day. There’s a lot of work, and not much else, to do when you’re gearing up for war at godforsaken desert outposts. So meeting up with your buddies and eating a hot meal feels like a luxury.

You also need to understand that the chow hall lines are really long.

Twenty-five minutes is the standard at Camp Udairi, and they can stretch to more than an hour at crowded posts like camps New York and Virginia.

So standing in a long second line where every soldier has to drop the magazine on his or her rifle and pistol, clear the barrel three times, and discharge the weapon into a sand-filled barrel twice seems like a terrible hassle when you’re hungry. After all, hardly any soldiers are authorized to carry loaded weapons on post — only a handful of guards on the gates and towers. The rule serves only to protect against the dumb Joes who break the rules and stick a magazine in their pistols.

Maybe that safety officer has a point after all.

How low can they go?

A second beef with safety officers was brought up this week, this time by the helicopter pilots in the 11th Aviation Regiment. It started when the regimental safety officer established a minimum altitude below which Apache pilots may not fly.

Apache pilots’ job is to rain Hellfire missiles and rockets on the enemy.

They believe they, and not some desk jockey back at HQ, ought to decide how low or high they need to fly to get the job done.

There’s been plenty of jawing back and forth on this one. The safety officer lowered the minimum altitude a bit, but the Apache pilots want the restriction dropped completely.

The thinking here is that, when all Hellfire breaks loose in Iraq, nobody is going to be standing on a tall ladder in Baghdad with a tape measure.

Saying their prayers

Troops at Camp Arifjan, Camp Virginia and other U.S. bases in Kuwait say they are happy with their chapel options.

During the 1991 Gulf War, many of the American troops deployed to Saudi Arabia complained about not being able to openly practice their religions, in deference to host nation sensibilities.

Kuwait’s brand of Islam is less strict than in Saudi Arabia, so base chapels here are up and running.

“We’ve got a full range of religious services, including a few Muslim chaplains,” said Sgt. Maj. Larry Stevens, a public affairs officer in Kuwait with the U.S. Central Command.

Practice makes perfect

Bahraini government officials practiced a response to a chemical attack in their capital city this week. It was the first drill for the new emergency center established just weeks ago.

Bahrain came under Scud attacks during the Persian Gulf War, but little was done for public preparedness. This time, 22 sirens are in place across the island nation and Patriot batteries are on standby.

The chemical reaction drill tested a decontamination center’s ability to aid victims. Bahrainis also are being advised to create a safe room in their homes, rooms that can easily be sealed off against potential contaminants and stocked with food, water and other emergency supplies, very similar to the kinds of rooms residents of Washington, D.C., and New York City were urged to create.

— Reporters Joseph Giordono, Steve Liewer and Mark Oliva contributed to this report. Contact Joseph Giordono in Kuwait at: giordonoj@pstripes.osd.mil; contact Steve Liewer in Kuwait at: liewers@mail.estripes.osd.mil ; contact Mark Oliva in Bahrain at: olivam@pstripes.osd.mil

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1 posted on 02/21/2003 9:10:54 PM PST by xzins
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To: VaBthang4; mhking; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Blueflag; aristeides; Travis McGee
This brought back so many memories.

Never forget to pack your own TP. And hide it!
2 posted on 02/21/2003 9:12:51 PM PST by xzins (It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set you FREE)
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To: xzins
Anyone have info on how we can send our soldiers care packages? I can circulate this to some classes at my kids' schools and organize a carepackage drive. I just don't know how to reach these people.
3 posted on 02/21/2003 9:16:20 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: Calpernia
There was a thread on what you're asking yesterday. I just don't remember the title.
4 posted on 02/21/2003 9:17:40 PM PST by xzins (It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set you FREE)
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To: xzins
bttt
5 posted on 02/21/2003 9:17:43 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (PRAY for our President, his lovely First Lady, and our Country.)
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To: All
Hey Charmin,

This is an ad campaign bonanza.

Are you listening??!!
6 posted on 02/21/2003 9:18:55 PM PST by xzins (It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set you FREE)
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To: xzins
Ditto. There is nothing worse than sand in your TP. I would rather eat concrete than get sand in my TP.
7 posted on 02/21/2003 9:18:57 PM PST by Beck_isright ((going to war without the French is like deer hunting without an accordian))
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To: Calpernia
It will save me a lot of time searching for Freepers and threads on this subject if I just list this thread:

USO Canteen FReeper Style - Support Our Troops (daily thread)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/848514/posts
8 posted on 02/21/2003 9:23:32 PM PST by petuniasevan (Support our troops!)
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To: xzins
They already have an ad campaign going (Charmin/Procter & Gamble, that is):

'Toilet Tour' Marketing Boosts Charmin Sales 14% - P&G Expands Its Traveling 'Pottypalooza' Efforts


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/845425/posts
9 posted on 02/21/2003 9:25:37 PM PST by petuniasevan (Support our troops!)
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To: xzins
Canteen thread. See reply 8.
10 posted on 02/21/2003 9:28:32 PM PST by petuniasevan (What am I still doing at the computer? I've got to be at work in 6 1/2 hours!)
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To: Calpernia; xzins
Desperately seeking TP 
 

How you can help:

Operation Independence http://www.oidelivers.org/

Be sure to also check here


11 posted on 02/21/2003 9:30:08 PM PST by Wolverine
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To: VaBthang4; mhking; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Blueflag; aristeides; Travis McGee; JohnHuang2; ...
The chemical reaction drill tested a decontamination center’s ability to aid victims. Bahrainis also are being advised to create a safe room in their homes, rooms that can easily be sealed off against potential contaminants and stocked with food, water and other emergency supplies, very similar to the kinds of rooms residents of Washington, D.C., and New York City were urged to create.

The liberals thought this was so silly and made fun of it.

They are idiots. Look what the immediately endangered are doing!

12 posted on 02/21/2003 9:47:19 PM PST by xzins (It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set you FREE)
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To: xzins
Whats the point of carrying your weapon to lunch if your not allowed to have any ammo.
13 posted on 02/21/2003 10:01:44 PM PST by Husker24
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To: xzins; Squantos; harpseal; Matthew James; SLB
"Camo New York" and "Camp Virginia," ahh, it makes me nostalgic for "Tent Cities" past.

Youth is wasted on the young. Oh to be a 25 year old platoon leader (or 19 year old private) in this show!

14 posted on 02/21/2003 10:04:25 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Husker24
The ammo's still in the clip.

We had to do the same in Panama. I ended up in a hangar at Howard AirForce Base. My friend, a major at the time, forgot to clear his 9 mm in the sand barrel one day.

When withdrawing it near our cots it discharged. I wasn't there, but there was a hole in his cot. Fortunately, no one was hurt by ricochet. Coulda been me if I'd been there.
15 posted on 02/21/2003 10:06:06 PM PST by xzins (It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set you FREE)
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To: xzins; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; VaBthang4; mhking; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Blueflag; ...
Mr. Jack Neff,
 
Re your article: 'Toilet Tour' Marketing Boosts Charmin Sales 14% - P&G Expands Its Traveling 'Pottypalooza' Efforts
 
P&G Expands Its Traveling 'Pottypalooza' Event Efforts
 
February 17, 2003
By
Jack Neff  jackneff@earthlink.net
 
Jack,  If you can solve this problem Charmin will have confirmed customers FOR GENERATIONS!!
 
Maybe you can help:
Desperately seeking TP 

How you can help:

Operation Independence http://www.oidelivers.org/

Be sure to also check here


Are you aware of this:

Mideast Notebook: Desperately seeking Toilet Paper- Daily life of our troops in Kuwait(exc. read)
European edition, Stars and Stripes ^ | Friday, February 21, 2003 | Joseph Giordono, Steve Liewer and Mark Oliva

Mideast Notebook: Desperately seeking TP


European edition, Friday, February 21, 2003

It’s not news that war creates shortages, both at home and among the troops.

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Their units are still waiting for supplies to arrive from Europe. Toilet paper disappears from the shelves of the small AAFES exchange as soon as it arrives. The preferred emergency backups, moist towelettes and facial tissue, also are hard to find.

When care packages arrive from home, soldiers may nibble at the sweets, but they lunge for the toilet paper.

Another paper shortage

Next to toilet paper, the hottest commodity in the Europe-based V Corps units is Stars and Stripes.

snip
 

— Reporters Joseph Giordono, Steve Liewer and Mark Oliva contributed to this report. Contact Joseph Giordono in Kuwait at: giordonoj@pstripes.osd.mil; contact Steve Liewer in Kuwait at: liewers@mail.estripes.osd.mil ; contact Mark Oliva in Bahrain at: olivam@pstripes.osd.mil


16 posted on 02/21/2003 10:09:22 PM PST by Wolverine
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To: Travis McGee
I gotta be honest Travis....I miss it.

Did you read the piece about the aviators? They LOVE to fight with safety guys!
17 posted on 02/21/2003 10:10:07 PM PST by xzins (It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set you FREE)
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To: xzins
All that safety crap will get you killed.

;^)

18 posted on 02/21/2003 10:12:04 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
The most powerful person in the world is a CHIEF WARRANT (CW3-5) who's been appointed SAFETY OFFICER!

They probably tell the president where to stand and how long to stand there!
19 posted on 02/21/2003 10:15:02 PM PST by xzins (It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set you FREE)
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To: xzins
We need to send our troops OBL Toilet paper!


20 posted on 02/21/2003 10:40:20 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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