Humboldt County supes may close pot party beach

Modesto Bee ^ | 2/21/03 | AP

[xm177e2]

Can a big-government drug warrior be a freeper?

[Psycho_Bunny]

Ahhh....that makes sense.

Toke-on, dude!

[babaloo999]

I should mention that I haven't seen a High Times mag in over ten years, heh.

[GOP_Raider]

Apparently. Nowhere else could a dope like Gray Skies Davis get reelected.

I wonder if there's any way to get a new birth certificate so I can say I was born in another state??

[StriperSniper]

1) Its is alleged that in the 1960's, the police in California used a radio call signal of "420" to denote that they had viewed pot smokers, i.e., "This is car 54, we have a 420 in progress".

That or something real close is the way I've heard it for almost 20 years.

[babaloo999]

Today's paradox: can a libertarian be a freeper?

Can a big-government drug warrior be a freeper?

We have all kinds here, ya'll(you'se guys) know that. We even have a few liberals that have
been around a while and proclaim their love for 'all things Clinton/Gore'. They post a few comments
and then people make fun of them.
The liberdopian vs. hitler youth statist threads get as nasty as any conservative vs. liberal thread.
Of course, those are tea-time pantywaists compared to the Civil War(Wah of Naw-thun Aggression) threads.

It takes all kinds to run this big 'hunka hunka burnin' love', so can't we all just get along?

[tpaine]

hoosierskypilot:
"What if, hypothetically speaking, there were a conflict between a CA state law and the constitution. Where would a libertarian stand on this? Is the state law supreme, or the constitution?"

Good question. There is a conflict between California State law and the constitution. Its California's assault weapons bans and registering laws.
They violate the Constitution. All libertarians I know do not support California's usurptation of the right to keep and bear arms, which is essential to the natural right of self-sefense.

There are compartively few instances where State laws violated the Constitution as compared to federal laws that violate the constitution/states rights.
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So the libertarian chooses state law sometimes (pot) and constitutional law other times (gun ownership).
Seems messy.
-hsp-

Not 'messy' at all; - the choice is always pro-constitution.
If a state 'pot' law violates individual rights, it is unconstitutional, just as if it violated the individuals RKBA's.


It's simple common sense reasoning, - based on the fact that our US Constitutions main function is to protect the citizen from ALL levels of government, and these governments abilities to infringe upon on our liberties, unless held in check.

This is the problem, -- 'checks & balances' have disappeared in the political fog.

[hoosierskypilot]

Ques: is enforcement of any drug law acceptable to libertarians? I.e., should there be any societal restrictions on drug use?

Ques: should there be any restrictions on who can come into the country? I.e., should we have open borders?

Ques: should anybody, including convicted felons (who have paid their debt to society) be allowed to own any kind of firearm they desire?

The reason I ask is because these seem to be the areas about which libertarians argue.

[hoosierskypilot]

The reason I say it sounds messy is because I lived all over Tennessee for about 12 years. Tennesseans, to this day, contend the civil war was about state's rights. To them, slavery was secondary.

Yet, their arguments sounded almost identical to the arguments I've heard from libertarians on FR.

[xm177e2]

I'm not a libertarian, so I can't really answer your questions.

[mngalt]

Well, I've been here for a while, too and I think you've got it just about bassackwards. But then, that's why they make vanilla and chocolate.

Clam Beach used to be overrun with deadbeats and brokendown hippies, but an effort is at least made now to patrol it and prevent overnights of any duration. It beats King Salmon all to hell, just for its view of Trinidad Head and the harbor.

[Porterville]

If they clean up Clam Beach they have a great thing since it is so close to McKinleyville; but the deadbeat violent hippies gotta go. And yes, I believe those peaceful hippies are violent, because they live such a base lifestyle they have a tendency towards base passions.

[mngalt]

That's so funny. As I was posting my last entry I was thinking that one of the main drawbacks of Clam Beach was its close proximity to McKinleyville. Plus, there is a vast difference between young "hippy" kids living off Daddy's credit card and the hardcore crank fueled losers that once camped at Clam Beach. They were tossed from there years ago, thankfully.

I can get along fine with the college hipsters as they are merely misguided yet gentle yoots (not unlike myself at that age). The ones you're talking about, weirdly enough, are now concentrated in places like the King Salmon RV and trailer parks with their pitbulls and snot nosed kids and screaming "wives".

Like I said, chocolate and vanilla. ;) But then, they also make Neopolitan.

PS I couldn't shive a git about a bunch of punks gathering and smoking bud on the beach. The sheriff has better things to do than chasing around through the dunes over something that's nominally legal in this part of the state.

[Porterville]

I agree with you that the college kids are just punks, but many of the kids that same age don't go to college. You can see them loitering in various places. Those kids are not peaceful hippies, I'm not afraid of them myself, but if my mother lived up here, and they were bugging her, I get pretty upset.

[mngalt]

You're correct, there is the "street" contingent who are "homeless" or "on the street" by choice and finance their choice of "lifestyle" by panhandling and petty crime. The ones up here must find the cost of living more affordable than Telegraph Ave. in Berzerkley. But again, where do you find them gathered in any numbers except in Arcata and Old Towne Eureka? I guess I could be out of touch since they never bother me. Then again, I'm six feet and 220 with a burr haircut. I don't expect your mom would make the same impression on them. ;)