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These idiots need a good FReepin' (vanity)
E-mail | 02/21/03 | Lark in the Morning

Posted on 02/21/2003 10:22:34 AM PST by Corin Stormhands

I'm posting this on behalf of my friend 2Jedismom, a frequenter of The Hobbit Hole. She received this e-mail today and is livid. As she should be. She's already fired off a response. But these liberal idiots need to learn a lesson.

Read on:


This email is from Mickie and Elizabeth Zekley the directors of Lark Camp. We hope none of you will take offense at receiving this email which is not about our event. We have never sent out a political email before but are driven to send this one. Senator Robert Byrd gave a speech on the Senate floor on February 12th that has profoundly effected us. Following is the text of that speech. No matter what your point of view of what is going on in this country and it's relation to the world, it is each of our responsibilities to communicate our wishes for the future of this country to our elected representatives. Many people that I have talked to feel powerless and at a loss of what to do. I urge each and every one of you to write, fax, call or email your Senator, Congressman, and the President and tell them what you want for your country. I also ask you all to urge your friends, family and coworkers to let their voices be heard by their representatives.

You can find and contact your representatives through these web addresses.
Senate http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
House http://clerk.house.gov/members/index.php
President http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

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US Senator Robert Byrd
Senate Floor Speech - Wednesday, February 12, 2003
The Dean of the Congress --
February 12, 2003

Senate Remarks: We Stand Passively Mute

To contemplate war is to think about the most horrible of human experiences. On this February day, as this nation stands at the brink of battle, every American on some level must be contemplating the horrors of war.

Yet, this Chamber is, for the most part, silent -- ominously, dreadfully silent. There is no debate, no discussion, no attempt to lay out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war. There is nothing.

We stand passively mute in the United States Senate, paralyzed by our own uncertainty, seemingly stunned by the sheer turmoil of events. Only on the editorial pages of our newspapers is there much substantive discussion of the prudence or imprudence of engaging in this particular war.

And this is no small conflagration we contemplate. This is no simple attempt to defang a villain. No. This coming battle, if it materializes, represents a turning point in U.S. foreign policy and possibly a turning point in the recent history of the world.

This nation is about to embark upon the first test of a revolutionary doctrine applied in an extraordinary way at an unfortunate time. The doctrine of preemption -- the idea that the United States or any other nation can legitimately attack a nation that is not imminently threatening but may be threatening in the future -- is a radical new twist on the traditional idea of self defense. It appears to be in contravention of international law and the UN Charter. And it is being tested at a time of world-wide terrorism, making many countries around the globe wonder if they will soon be on our -- or some other nation's -- hit list. High level Administration figures recently refused to take nuclear weapons off of the table when discussing a possible attack against Iraq. What could be more destabilizing and unwise than this type of uncertainty, particularly in a world where globalism has tied the vital economic and security interests of many nations so closely together? There are huge cracks emerging in our time-honored alliances, and U.S. intentions are suddenly subject to damaging worldwide speculation. Anti-Americanism based on mistrust, misinformation, suspicion, and alarming rhetoric from U.S. leaders is fracturing the once solid alliance against global terrorism which existed after September 11.

Here at home, people are warned of imminent terrorist attacks with little guidance as to when or where such attacks might occur. Family members are being called to active military duty, with no idea of the duration of their stay or what horrors they may face. Communities are being left with less than adequate police and fire protection. Other essential services are also short-staffed. The mood of the nation is grim. The economy is stumbling. Fuel prices are rising and may soon spike higher.

This Administration, now in power for a little over two years, must be judged on its record. I believe that that record is dismal.

In that scant two years, this Administration has squandered a large projected surplus of some $5.6 trillion over the next decade and taken us to projected deficits as far as the eye can see. This Administration's domestic policy has put many of our states in dire financial condition, under funding scores of essential programs for our people. This Administration has fostered policies which have slowed economic growth. This Administration has ignored urgent matters such as the crisis in health care for our elderly. This Administration has been slow to provide adequate funding for homeland security. This Administration has been reluctant to better protect our long and porous borders.

In foreign policy, this Administration has failed to find Osama bin Laden. In fact, just yesterday we heard from him again marshaling his forces and urging them to kill. This Administration has split traditional alliances, possibly crippling, for all time, International order-keeping entities like the United Nations and NATO. This Administration has called into question the traditional worldwide perception of the United States as well-intentioned, peacekeeper. This Administration has turned the patient art of diplomacy into threats, labeling, and name calling of the sort that reflects quite poorly on the intelligence and sensitivity of our leaders, and which will have consequences for years to come.

Calling heads of state pygmies, labeling whole countries as evil, denigrating powerful European allies as irrelevant -- these types of crude insensitivities can do our great nation no good. We may have massive military might, but we cannot fight a global war on terrorism alone. We need the cooperation and friendship of our time-honored allies as well as the newer found friends whom we can attract with our wealth. Our awesome military machine will do us little good if we suffer another devastating attack on our homeland which severely damages our economy. Our military manpower is already stretched thin and we will need the augmenting support of those nations who can supply troop strength, not just sign letters cheering us on.

The war in Afghanistan has cost us $37 billion so far, yet there is evidence that terrorism may already be starting to regain its hold in that region. We have not found bin Laden, and unless we secure the peace in Afghanistan, the dark dens of terrorism may yet again flourish in that remote and devastated land.

Pakistan as well is at risk of destabilizing forces. This Administration has not finished the first war against terrorism and yet it is eager to embark on another conflict with perils much greater than those in Afghanistan. Is our attention span that short? Have we not learned that after winning the war one must always secure the peace?

And yet we hear little about the aftermath of war in Iraq. In the absence of plans, speculation abroad is rife. Will we seize Iraq's oil fields, becoming an occupying power which controls the price and supply of that nation's oil for the foreseeable future? To whom do we propose to hand the reigns of power after Saddam Hussein?

Will our war inflame the Muslim world resulting in devastating attacks on Israel? Will Israel retaliate with its own nuclear arsenal? Will the Jordanian and Saudi Arabian governments be toppled by radicals, bolstered by Iran which has much closer ties to terrorism than Iraq?

Could a disruption of the world's oil supply lead to a world-wide recession? Has our senselessly bellicose language and our callous disregard of the interests and opinions of other nations increased the global race to join the nuclear club and made proliferation an even more lucrative practice for nations which need the income?

In only the space of two short years this reckless and arrogant Administration has initiated policies which may reap disastrous consequences for years.

One can understand the anger and shock of any President after the savage attacks of September 11. One can appreciate the frustration of having only a shadow to chase and an amorphous, fleeting enemy on which it is nearly impossible to exact retribution.

But to turn one's frustration and anger into the kind of extremely destabilizing and dangerous foreign policy debacle that the world is currently witnessing is inexcusable from any Administration charged with the awesome power and responsibility of guiding the destiny of the greatest superpower on the planet. Frankly many of the pronouncements made by this Administration are outrageous. There is no other word.

Yet this chamber is hauntingly silent. On what is possibly the eve of horrific infliction of death and destruction on the population of the nation of Iraq -- a population, I might add, of which over 50% is under age 15 -- this chamber is silent. On what is possibly only days before we send thousands of our own citizens to face unimagined horrors of chemical and biological warfare -- this chamber is silent. On the eve of what could possibly be a vicious terrorist attack in retaliation for our attack on Iraq, it is business as usual in the United States Senate.

We are truly "sleepwalking through history." In my heart of hearts I pray that this great nation and its good and trusting citizens are not in for a rudest of awakenings.

To engage in war is always to pick a wild card. And war must always be a last resort, not a first choice. I truly must question the judgment of any President who can say that a massive unprovoked military attack on a nation which is over 50% children is "in the highest moral traditions of our country". This war is not necessary at this time. Pressure appears to be having a good result in Iraq. Our mistake was to put ourselves in a corner so quickly. Our challenge is to now find a graceful way out of a box of our own making. Perhaps there is still a way if we allow more time.

Link to the Senate web site with the above speech. http://byrd.senate.gov/byrd_newsroom/byrd_news_feb/news_2003_february/news_2003_february_9.html

Musically yours,
Mickie & Elizabeth Zekley
Lark Camp Directors

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1 posted on 02/21/2003 10:22:34 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
Here ya go.
2 posted on 02/21/2003 10:22:56 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (HHD)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Why would anyone listen to that old racist?
3 posted on 02/21/2003 10:25:27 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: AppyPappy
Because they're idiots.
4 posted on 02/21/2003 10:26:05 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (HHD)
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To: Corin Stormhands
So how profoundly affected are Mr. & Mrs. Zekley by Bobby Byrd's illustrious KKK career before becoming a DemoKKKrat senator.
5 posted on 02/21/2003 10:26:11 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Corin Stormhands
Thanks Corin...

I may need to go on blood pressure medicine after this. I'm trying to figure out how the guy got my email address in the first place. I suspect he "lifted" it from Lark in the Morning, and if he did, they need to know what their associate is up to.

I'll keep you posted.
6 posted on 02/21/2003 10:29:20 AM PST by 2Jedismom (HHD with 17 whistles)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I would go ahead and send an email to the Lark in the Morning Msincal Instrument Co

larkinam@larkinam.com

their web site address is:

http://www.larkinam.com/
7 posted on 02/21/2003 10:38:52 AM PST by Republican Red
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To: Republican Red; Corin Stormhands
I am really unclear as to how this person got my email address. I wrote and asked this:

"Would you mind telling me how I got put on this list? I don't recall signing up for it. Did you get my email from where I signed up for Lark in the Morning?"

This was their reply:

"The email you received was from Mickie the director of Lark Camp. I no longer own the Lark In The Morning musical instrument business but only the camp. I will remove you form the Lark Camp list."

Does this seem a little vague to you? Like perhaps he doesn't want to tell me?

8 posted on 02/21/2003 10:49:24 AM PST by 2Jedismom (HHD with 17 whistles)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Ok, from what I understand from other pennywhistle players, Lark in the Morning used to be owned by this Mickie guy...then he sold it and is still there, helping out. So from what I can tell, Lark in the Morning has allowed this guy to use their email database to spam it's customers with this political spew.

So, I hold them responsible.
9 posted on 02/21/2003 11:22:53 AM PST by 2Jedismom (HHD with 17 whistles)
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To: Corin Stormhands
While I would resent having rec'd this type e-mail, from this type of source, and would ass/u/me the intent of the sender, I would also read it as written (actually, I would just delete it) so I quote

"No matter what your point of view of what is going on in this country and it's relation to the world, it is each of our responsibilities to communicate our wishes for the future of this country to our elected representatives. Many people that I have talked to feel powerless and at a loss of what to do. I urge each and every one of you to write, fax, call or email your Senator, Congressman, and the President and tell them what you want for your country."

It could just be an attempt to get people involved. They really don't tell you what to think!

Isn't that what we are susposed to do. Think and get involved

Oh, BTW, I despise BB.
10 posted on 02/21/2003 12:27:28 PM PST by T Wayne
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To: Corin Stormhands
denigrating powerful European allies as irrelevant

ROFL - France????

11 posted on 02/21/2003 1:11:40 PM PST by Gil4
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To: 2Jedismom
Does this seem a little vague to you? Like perhaps he doesn't want to tell me?

Sounds to me like he took his old mailing list from the instrument store and decided to use it to plug his stupid camp. I have no idea if this violates any federal laws, but it might violate your own state laws. You could probably nail him for a few hundred bucks in small claims court, or at least threaten him with such for a laugh.

Anyway, judging from the Lark Camp site, I have a feeling very few people on that list are going to be angry about receiving that email. They're all granola types. Worse, they're all granola types WITH BANJOS.

12 posted on 02/21/2003 1:59:18 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: 2Jedismom
Oh, hold on. I didn't realize the camp is in Califonia. I thought it was in West Virginia. California has a very clear anti-spam law. Looks like you can send this pair an invoice for $50, and if they don't pay, you can sue them.
13 posted on 02/21/2003 2:03:09 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: Go Dub Go
I don't get it.

That much is certain.

15 posted on 02/21/2003 2:40:07 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Go Dub Go
You continue not to get it. This whole thread is about refuting the statements by Byrd...to those promoting them.
17 posted on 02/21/2003 3:04:24 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
There is a good link to senator emails ... good for a pro-Liberate-Iraq message.



If you were "moved" by senator Robert Byrd this month,
surely you were moved by him saying the SAME THING in 1991,
when Saddam Hussein occupied Kuwait.

Sen Byrd claimed - falsely - then and now, that sanctions were
"working". If Sen Byrd had his way, Saddam would today be
controlling world oil and he'd have nuclear weapons by now (he was just
a year away from having nuclear weapons in 1991 when we found
and destroyed his program).
If Senator Byrd had his way, the smaller threat would have grown
to be a huge threat.

12 years of sanctions had no impact on Saddam's behavior.
Saddam has skimmed off illegal oil shipment profits for war,
even as his own people suffer from their poor economy. Saddam
doesnt care, and has jailed and killed thousands who dare complain
or oppose him. And he hasnt given up his weapons of mass
destruction.

12 years of sanctions have taught us that Saddam would never have
left Kuwait by any means OTHER than force, and those who advocated
it in 1991 were simply wrong. Wrong then, and wrong now.

Senator Byrd and others falsely claim this is 'preemption", but
it is false to say that Iraq is only a future threat. Iraq attacked the US
in 1993, twice. They were behind the 1993 World Trade Center attack,
a failed attempt to kill 25,000 Americans. They were behind the
assassination of former President Bush. Iraq is threatening us
today with their training, financial support, and intelligence support
of terrorists. Not in the future - now.

Here is the story on Iraq's involvement in WTC bombing:


Since when is it 'preemption' to attack a country that has already
been attacking us?

Saddam has committed genocide on his own people; he has started 2
deadly wars; he has constructed a totalitarian Baathist regime with one
of the worst human rights records in the world; he has aided and abetted
terrorist organizations and even today is haboring members of Al Quaeda.
These are attacks on us, on the region, on humanity itself.

Depite these horribles, Senator Byrd wants to continue a failed sanctions

Depite these horribles, Senator Byrd wants to continue failed sanctions
policies that only hurts Iraqis but leaves Saddam in power, pursuing
weapons, defying UN resolutions, deceiving inspectors, and supporting
terrorists. It is a policy that will strain our alliances and give comfort to our
enemies, secure that we are hamstrung by the most wavering of "allies",
unwilling and unable to truly defend ourselves by all means necessary.

It is time to liberate Iraq and the world from the grip
of Saddam's abusive dictatorship. It's time to do it - NOW.


18 posted on 02/21/2003 3:30:58 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Go Dub Go
seconded. my immediate reaction upon reading it
was "huh...what a well-written speech...wouldn't
have expected it from Byrd".

Surprisingly, for a political speech in this day
and age; virtually all of it was true and accurate.
19 posted on 02/21/2003 11:53:50 PM PST by noslogans
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