Children Evacuated Without Your Consent!

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[mamarainsberry]

Having been through several of these drills, handled both incorrectly and correctly, the school will evacuate the students if necessary, then arrange for an orderly pick up. They are trying to avoid 1000 parents showing up and taking thier kids without signing them out. The schools are equipped to handle the kids staying there for up to 3 days, if needed. With many people working and no one available to pick the kids up a lot of parents want to know their children will be safe. They do a triad staging and take care of injured or dead students first. Healthy ones are counted and then the radio or tv would notify parents where to pick up thier children. We went through a bomb threat the wrong way, the kids just left if the parent showed up, some just took off. It was chaos and cold 28 degrees, noone had coats and noone was allowed back into the school. After 2 + hours the buses came and picked the kids up. The drills worked perfectly with the parents being allowed to pick the kids up at a "safe" location, and the school being able to track the kids. When we had the earthquake here 40% of the parents showed up after and took their kids home, for what? My kids were all allowed to call me and check in. Keep in mind most schools are emergency evacuation centers for the population. They have more resources than just any building.

BTW as far as the suspension room, talk to the school principal and inform them if your child is sent there and you are not notified you will hire a lawyer. Best of all notify him/her in person and in a letter. Anytime my daughter has been suspended in or out of school they call me and explain to me why. They are not the STATES kids I pay for those buildings and I pay the teacher's wages. The NEA would like you to forget that. If you have a problem with school policy head for the principals office. Don't wait until later. If you get brushed off by the principal go to the superintendent or the school board. PUBLIC schools the public pays for. Sometimes I think the only way to fix the stranglehold the teachers union has on the schools is to get the government out and make them all private schools. And yes I am a certified teacher in 2 states.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

After your description of how prepared the schools in your area are, I suspect people in the community, will be banging on the school's doors, begging to come in!

[Mad Dawgg]

"you have less with a private catholic school - I know"

Not my local Catholic School.

I can enter it anytime I please and get my child for any reason I deem necessary.

Contrast that with the Local Public School Indoctrination Center where a parent must make a prior appointment to get their child and are not allowed to visit their classroom unless they have permission of the teacher.

[MattAMiller]

However, my kid has been instructed that if a message ever comes to her in class that I've shown up to take her to her forgotten doctors appointment, she's to ask no questions, nod her head and mumble "oh that's right, I forgot" and insist that she needs to get out of class. It's the only way I can think to get her home if it hasn't been all arranged ahead of time which is what you are supposed to do if they need to leave school during the day.

Is that really necessary? Do the rules at your kid's school require a certain kind of excuse?

[survivalforum.com]

This is my suggestion:

Instead of implementing plans whereas your children are taken to a location that you have no knowledge of and instead of being told to NOT CALL, DONT GO TO SCHOOL, etc...

Plans should be made with parents to GET THEIR CHILDREN asap so the parents maintain CONTROL of the safety of their children instead of government personnel who have demonstrated outright incompetence thus far!

I dont know about you, but I have children in public school system. The last thing I need to do is to NOT know where my children are and to be told DONT COME AND GET THEM

Best regards

(I am not shouting at you with my CAPS, I simply am quite dissatisfied with what plans and recommendations I am seeing so far. Totally unacceptable!)

I hope I answered your question.

[Boxsford]

Homeschool.

[all4one]

The time to ask your children's school about their Emergency Prepardness system (or lack thereof) is now. I asked the principal at my son's school last Thursday. He had a minimal plan not much more than would be done for a fire drill! Certainly not to my comfort level. He even seemed surprised at my question. He told me that I was the first parent to inquire. I live on the East coast between NY and DC, so extra precautions are not unthinkable. This is a private school with class sizes that don't exceed 16.

He was receptive to help on the matter. I am currently working on a plan that would give out the contact phone numbers to all of the parents in my son's class for each of the 16 students. We know each other, and it would be comforting, that in the case of an emergency the first parent to arrive could contact the remaining parents. I am meeting with the principal at the end of the week, and will propose this for all of the classes in the school. Just having some type of network for information would be a help, in the case of any emergency. I can't see the school secretary looking through files and calling 200 parents. Being proactive with the welfare and safety of our children is important at this time. I wonder when the new Office of Homeland Security will come-up with a plan for the schools?....I won't hold my breath.

[wimpycat]

So parents who live within a minute or so can come get their children, while children whose parents live or work a longer distance away will burn up or suffocate or get shot to death.

That makes sense...

After all, it's the parents' fault if their car is in the shop, or if they happened to be in the grocery store, or at the doctor's office, or stuck in traffic while the school was being fired upon, or bombed, or on fire and every second counted. As long as Uncle Sam knows who's in charge, that's all that matters.

[MattAMiller]

"You have reached the voicemail John Smith. I'm not at my desk right now but if you leave your name, message, and phone number I'll get back to you as soon as possible."

BEEP

"Mr. Smith, this is Rivercrest Elementary and we've had a serin gas attack here. We were thinking we'd like to evacuate so that the gas won't kill everybody. So is it all right if we take John Jr away from the school for awhile? Please try to get back to us before everybody dies. Thank you."

[Mears]

For heaven's sake,what do you expect the schools to do?

During WW11 I was in elementary school and the schools were prepared to take care of us and none of the parents made a fuss. Simpler times I guess.

What is your problem? An emergency is exactly that,an emergency. If I felt as you did I'd home-school and never let the kids out of my sight.

[ivoteright]

I have no problem with the school taking full authority over the safety of my child during such an emergency. When you also consider that you trust the school on the other 180 days that your child is under their instruction, what makes you think that the day of an emergency, they will not protect them? I don't know where you live, but I think the chance of some other minor emergency happening at your child's school, is much greater than a terrorist event. And, their safety plans are mostly designed for these other emergency events, and they do work!

You are missing the point. If a parent wants to pick up their child from school, they should be able to walk into the office and properly sign the student out. NEVER should a school tell a parent to come back later because at that moment they are better able to take care of the child than is the parent. I do not doubt the school's good intentions, but if I want to take my child home with me, then move over.

I am a teacher, and I have been instructed never to stand between a student and the door because if I refused to allow a student to leave the room I could be charged with ABDUCTION. Isn't that exactly what the schools are endorsing?

[Mears]

Very clever,Matt!!!

[Asparagirl]

At my old high school in New York--Horace Mann, which is a private school in the Riverdale section of the north Bronx--over a thousand kids were stranded at school on 9/11 because a lot of the kids commute into school from Manhattan and New Jersey, and they weren't allowed back over bridges to go home. My cousins, who go to school there, got picked up by one of the "Mom's with SUV's brigade" (who raced to the school to help) and evacuated to their grandparents' home in Westchester County. Kids were also farmed out in small groups to local homes, and I think some even stayed overnight at the school. Calling the parents for persmission wasn't always possible because the phones were mostly out until that night and a lot of kids had parents who worked at the WTC and/or couldn't get in touch with them anyway since the *parents* were busy being evacuated too.

Since then, the school has been faced with the realization that if another attack happens to New York, they'll likely have to do the shelter/evacuation plan again. My cousins, alas, have told me that every child in the school must now have a permission slip on file at the school stating the names of three families in Riverdale or Westchester County that they can be evacuated to in case the city gets attacked again. I cajoled my mom into having our house (also in Westchester) listed as an evacuation point so kids from the school can be brought there by the SUV brigade to stay, if needed.

Rather than attacking your local schools for not having a plan in order, maybe you guys could just get together with you neighbors or your local PTA and make contingency plans yourself? (Self-reliance- it's the American way. :-) ) I understand your frustration with local schools being tight-lipped or simply unprepared to deal with a possible attack, but that doesn't mean that parents can't organize things on their own.

The moms from Westchester who showed up at Horace Mann on 9/11 didn't have some pre-determined plan in place; they couldn't even call the school to see what was up. They just knew that there were terrified kids stuck at the school who would not be able to go home that night and whose parents might have been victims of the attacks, so they drove down the highway to the Bronx (while everybody else was driving the other way to get out of NYC), picked up a bunch of kids they sometimes didn't know, took them home to the suburbs, fed them dinner, consoled them and told them that their parents were probably alright, and did what they could. (Heroes are all around us.)

[mitchbert]

An alternative way to finding out what a school's preparedness plans are is to find out what the plans are in an event of an emergency at a nuclear power plant if you live near one. Just east of Toronto is the Pickering nuke plant and a little further east the Darlington facility. Some years ago the Ontario government produced relatively detailed plans for evacuation of the affected areas with a heavy emphasis on clearing the local schools. The plans were distributed to parents so they'd know where their kids were going to end up and the means used to get them there. This has the additional benefit of informing where the paents could go to be safe.

A nuke release would be a scenario where keeping the school in lockdown is NOT an option, and is seen by many planners as a school's nightmare scenario. For a WMD scenario it would be likely that the schools would default to these plans. If nothing else it's a good place to start. In the event that you live near a plant and the local schools don not have an evac plan I would start screaming bloody murder immediately, BTW. If you don't live near any potentially dangerous facility is is possible that the biggest event the school has gamed is a fire, a scenario that would not be sufficient for an attack. Best to check for yourself.

[shhrubbery!]

It will take just one Islam-related incident at a public school and you'll see more parents keeping their kids at home.

I agree. Let's pray it doesn't happen.

But I do hope parents who question the wisdom and judgment of school administrators to decide on questions of safety for their children, will ALSO begin to question those same administrators' ability to decide what and how their children should learn.

[Catspaw]

My daughter's pushing 40. I think she'd get a little mad if I tried to drag her out of her workplace, but you know how kids are.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Sure, if the school isn't in lockdown, I don't see why you can't get into the school, to retrieve your child. I was just thinking of worst case scenarios, where the school wouldn't let ANYONE in. I also do not see how you can relieve the problem of having hundreds of parents arriving, to pick up their children.

It would take HOURS to get into my child's school, because of limited parking, one main road in and out, and inability to call into the school, they only have two lines. And, I only live two miles from my child's school, in fact, and I can already see the long, lines of cars, that would be waiting.

Parents always have the right to their children. I just don't know how easy it will be to accomodate all of the parents. I think, in most instances, my child would be safer at the school, than not.

The school wants to protect ALL of the children, not just my precious son. I don't know that becoming shrill and fighting with them about my child's rights, is goining to help keep the entire student body safer. I wouldn't call this abduction. I would think the school would be bending over backwards to protect the children. On September 11th, I didn't run to the school, to retrieve my son, although I knew people who did. I used common sense, and decided he was safe at school.

Lastly, didn't we all think that the schools in NY handled the safety of the children extremely well, on September 11th? Wasn't that a worst-case scenario, with no warning, no emergency plans in place to handle terrorist attacks? Did you hear of any disgrunted parents who thought their children were not taken care of?

[Maceman]

If protective actions are being taken at your children's school, do not go to the school.

Yeah right.

[Quix]

AGREE.

HOWEVER, Have been encouraging parents for decades to teach their children how to make wise, Godly decisions and how to hear God in any situation--particularly situations increasingly likely to arise as we wind up to global government tyranny.

The government WILL BE [more or less regardless of what we do at some point] taking increasing control over children. It is naive and irresponsible, IMHO, to neglect to train them in how to handle themselves in a variety of authoritarian/tyrannical/terror situations.

There is no substitute for a child knowing how to hear God and follow HIM REGARDLESS. And 3 & 4 year olds will be able to do that and some already can.

[Notwithstanding]

I am shocked that any parent with brains allows the PBWS (pubic brainwashing and wharehousing system - aka pubic school system) to have any influence whatsoever on their kids' development.

My mom taught for over 20 years at a PBWS and my father taught, coached, counseled, was a principal and superintendent at a PBWS (both retired within the past 8 years). I attended a rural PBWS from K-8 in the late 70s & very early 80s (prior to the total melt down).

My parents HATED the PBWS because so much horseshit was required by law. I believe they ignored the most offensive things (my mom used to put up a Nativity set at Christmas and she was not afraid to bring God into the picture when kids had problems or when moral issues came up - my dad would always find a way to defeat the most insane legal requirements by following them to the letter but ensuring the required outcome of the liberal educrats was not achieved).

They are SOOOOOOO glad their grandkids are not inmates at any PBWS.