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Three mystery ships are tracked over suspected 'weapons' cargo
independent.co.uk ^ | 2/19/03

Posted on 02/18/2003 4:47:00 PM PST by knak

Three giant cargo ships are being tracked by US and British intelligence on suspicion that they might be carrying Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

Each with a deadweight of 35,000 to 40,000 tonnes, the ships have been sailing around the world's oceans for the past three months while maintaining radio silence in clear violation of international maritime law, say authoritative shipping industry sources.

The vessels left port in late November, just a few days after UN weapons inspectors led by Hans Blix began their search for the alleged Iraqi arsenal on their return to the country.

Uncovering such a deadly cargo on board would give George Bush and Tony Blair the much sought-after "smoking gun" needed to justify an attack on Saddam Hussein's regime, in the face of massive public opposition to war.

The ships were chartered by a shipping agent based in Egypt and are flying under the flags of three different countries. The continued radio silence since they left port, in addition to the captains' failure to provide information on their cargoes or their destinations, is a clear breach of international maritime laws.

The vessels are thought to have spent much of their time in the deep waters of the Indian Ocean, berthing at sea when they need to collect supplies of fuel and food. They have berthed in a handful of Arab countries, including Yemen.

American and British military forces are believed to be reluctant to stop and search the vessels for fear that any intervention might result in them being scuttled. If they were carrying chemical and biological weapons, or fissile nuclear material, and they were to be sunk at sea, the environmental damage could be catastrophic.

Washington and London might also want to orchestrate any raids so that they can present the ships as "evidence" that President Saddam is engaged in "material breach" of UN resolutions. This could provide the trigger for military strikes. While security sources in London last night were unable to provide information on any surveillance operation, the movement of the three ships is the source of growing concern among maritime and intelligence experts.

A shipping industry source told The Independent: "If Iraq does have weapons of mass destruction, then a very large part of its capability could be afloat on the high seas right now. These ships have maintained radio silence for long periods and, for a considerable time, they have been steaming around in ever-decreasing circles."

The ships are thought to have set sail from a country other than Iraq to avoid running the gauntlet of Western naval vessels patrolling the Gulf. Defence experts believe that, if they are carrying weapons of mass destruction, these could have been smuggled out through Syria or Jordan.

Despite hundreds of searches by UN inspectors, no evidence has yet been found of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programmes. A succession of "dossiers" presented by Downing Street has been criticised for providing inaccurate information, with the most recent one subject to ridicule because a student's 11-year-old doctoral thesis was being passed off as current intelligence. There was a further setback for Washington and London when the accuracy of satellite photographs shown to the United Nations by Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, purporting to show Iraqi officials moving incriminating evidence from a suspected site, was questioned by Hans Blix.

Mr Blix said: "The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity as a movement of proscribed munitions in anticipation of an imminent inspection."

Attempts to link the Iraqi regime to al-Qa'ida and other Islamist groups have also been met with scepticism. The UN says, though, that Iraq has failed to account for 1,000 tonnes of chemical agents from the war against Iran; to reveal the whereabouts of 6,500 missing chemical rockets; to produce evidence it has destroyed 8,500 litres of anthrax; and to account for 380 rocket engines smuggled into Iraq with chemicals used for missile propellants and control systems.

Intelligence reports, and some Iraqi defectors, have maintained that incriminating material and documents relating to weapons of mass destruction have been buried in remote parts of the country and have also been hidden in a variety of locations including homes of officials and scientists, as well as mosques. There have also been claims that chemical and biological products have been smuggled into Syria.


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To: John H K
Can you explain why you don't think the story "hangs together".
161 posted on 02/18/2003 8:32:06 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: FairOpinion
I'm not doubting that they are out there. I just doubt blowing them to kingdom come would even turn a head.

I think when the war starts, a few blips on the radar screen won't be missed.
162 posted on 02/18/2003 8:33:35 PM PST by lizma
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To: lizma
I would certainly be happier to have thoes ships blown up in the middle of some ocean, than have them come near populated shores and release whatever they have on them.
163 posted on 02/18/2003 8:40:22 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: CyberAnt
Usama's comment about the "belly of the beast" was, in his opinion, indicating that perhaps Usama was planning on heading an attack on the U.S., where he would die in the attack

Belly. New Orleans? The basturds!!!

164 posted on 02/18/2003 8:40:49 PM PST by null and void (Hmmm?)
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To: piasa; harpseal
I don't buy it. It doesn't add up.
165 posted on 02/18/2003 8:43:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: friendly
I agree this is surreal, completely surreal. I feel sometimes that this is all a dream since 9/11/01: nightmarish and bizarre.

Yup....

166 posted on 02/18/2003 8:43:34 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: piasa
I wonder if BL is on one of those ships?
167 posted on 02/18/2003 8:44:05 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Ichneumon
Now that you bring that up - one of the things the UNIONS are fighting is the computerization of cargo shipping. From what I understand, the companies want to mark the shipping containers just like they mark food in the grocery store.

Of course, if they do that, it will mean some people will lose their jobs. However, it would solve that problem of being able to track every container ... except for those which criminals use.
168 posted on 02/18/2003 8:46:19 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: Semper911
I think the key is to simply halt resupply efforts and force the vessels to enter a port. When they enter Yemen...gets seals out there and board. I would have a couple of naval craft out there and blast any Yemeni effort to protect them. You don't anchor for weeks at sea and not move. You are wasting tons of money if you are doing that. And if the boat has problems, then you anchor near a port and fix the boat. Obviously, there is more to this entire story.

169 posted on 02/18/2003 8:51:29 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: piasa
Thanks for the heads ups and all this information!
170 posted on 02/18/2003 8:54:49 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Travis McGee
I don't buy the "we're afraid they might cause an environmental disaster," line, that's for sure. An ocean is too big for things to cause it much trouble; probably the worst thing that could happen to the environment is an oil spill - I don't buy the story's assertions about the cargo doing it if sunk. More likely the smuggling is in conventional explosives, personnel, or regular arms.

I can't think of a reason why we wouldn't board and check them out if we knew they were out there, so I tend to think that we wanted someone to know we have an eye on shipping, or that we want someone to assume their ships are still out there and not captured or boarded, or that the lawyers haven't sorted through the international legalities yet and we're holding off for them, or that we're in the middle of an investigation and need to build a case by gathering as much info as possible for the state department's legal team, or some other thing.

I do accept the fact that al Qaeda, Iraq, Iran, Arafat and others have at different times used ships to smuggle assorted materials and arms, as we or other nations have caught them in the act. So I discard the sensational parts.

Sometimes I think reporters include "impending crisis of gargantuan proportions" because they have other than honest intentions.

171 posted on 02/18/2003 9:06:57 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Very interesting information - thank you.

Is it possible for us to monitor those conversations from subs ...??

Also ... would part of their plan be to wait until our seals were onboard the ship and then detonate it just as they land - thereby killing our people too ...?
172 posted on 02/18/2003 9:08:22 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: Lion's Cub
I still think he's in the bottom of a cave somewhere. So far he hasn't put out any recordings with specific enough info on them to discount the idea that he died on december 17, 2001.
173 posted on 02/18/2003 9:08:42 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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...Or that the reporter just doesn't know what he's talking about and is winging it with the little he does know.
174 posted on 02/18/2003 9:11:34 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: piasa
I agree with your analysis. If this was true, the first we would hear would be SEALs have captured them.
175 posted on 02/18/2003 9:13:48 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: CyberAnt
Is it possible for us to monitor those conversations from subs ...??

I would assume that the Iraqis are aware, due to widely publicized media reporting, that their communications are being heavily monitored. My wild guess would be that if these ships are in fact what this article implies, they likely minimize communications, and then only by spoken but coded phrases. They would be foolish to assume that there is no one listening.

They could use a "The weather here is nice, with a slight wind from the northwest" equals "We'll meet in Yemen on the 24th, have your messenger meet ours at the usual place" or similar substitution code.

Also ... would part of their plan be to wait until our seals were onboard the ship and then detonate it just as they land - thereby killing our people too ...? </i?

I honestly don't know. That strikes me as a particularly stupid way to advertise your own guilt. They may believe that they can run out the clock, possibly with help from the French and Germans. Having the evidence on ships would make for easy deniability, while keeping a chance that we may just leave them alone, not notice them, or back off due to 'international pressure'.

All that aside, there is very little a raiding party could do to prevent the ship from being scuttled if it is prepared correctly. (The crew would likely assume that we would be filming the raid for evidence, so they would count on being rescued.)

176 posted on 02/18/2003 9:32:14 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Send the P-3s and B-52s out to "monitor them", if they head for the US or any friendly port, tell 'em to heave to, or be sunk. Harpoons from the P-3s and Popeye/Have Nap (AGM-42s) from the BUFFs should do the job. Send along an air sampler, to verify the cargo "after the fact".
177 posted on 02/18/2003 11:16:40 PM PST by El Gato
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To: knak
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/263corhl.asp
Al Qaeda's Nightmare Scenario Emerges
178 posted on 02/18/2003 11:20:44 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Archangelsk
Yes, and considering a bunch of Haitian refugees just tooted on in under the Rickenbacker causeway a couple of months ago (in a leaky boat mind you), I seriously doubt any waterway is secure.

Don't forget the Cuban Coast Guard boat that tied up in Florida. We gave the boat back, but the crew stayed here, since they made it "feet dry" before being stopped. Well actually they weren't stopped at all.

179 posted on 02/18/2003 11:25:52 PM PST by El Gato
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To: CyberAnt
If they're observing radio silence - what other method would this type of ship have for "silent" communications ...??

Of course they can always just listen for their "go code", whatever that might be. Just hope it wasn't something OBL said on the latest tapes. They might aknowlege the "go order" with very short and seemingly innoccuos transmissions. Very short as in a second or less at a prearranged time and date. Ships could communicate one to another by blinker or flags if they were withing line of site of each other, which I find unlikely.

180 posted on 02/18/2003 11:36:24 PM PST by El Gato
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