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PROTESTORS AREN'T ANTI-WAR, They are anti-Bush and anti-American

Posted on 02/18/2003 8:48:58 AM PST by 1Old Pro

Can we face the truth?

These peacenick protestors who can't explain why they are against a war saying:

They don't have any serious arguments for opposition.

The fact is, they are ANTI-BUSH FIRST, ANTI-AMERICAN SECOND, and protesting the war just gives them a reason to publicaly oppose Bush.

I recently called in a local talk radio show where the host was debating to protestors. They had no arguments, just platitudes. I asked them if they weren't so much anti-war as they were anti-Bush. I asked them if they voted for Bush, of course they did not. They "bristeled" at the question because they were flushed out.

Bottom line, the "protestors" are mainly Gore voters and Nadar voters who want to protest Bush. The war gives them that vehivle to protest. If protestors were polled, 99% would have to admit they they did not vote for Bush. If the anti-war movement had any good reasons to oppose war they would be more like 50%-50% voting for Bush.

CONCLUSION: what we have here is anti-Bush, anti-American protestors. Ask them if they voted for Bush and find out for yourself.


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To: airborne_vet
1. Iraq is no immediate threat. 2. If they were a threat, why is Bush wasting time SELLING it instead of protecting America?

They are an immediate threat. Bush is waiting to get the troops into place and pacifying the anti-Americans by attempting to make the U.N. useful.

41 posted on 02/18/2003 10:10:34 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Dr. Frank
I think the anti-war crowd consists of 4 basic groups: (1) the far left, who are generally the organizers; (2) the Bush-haters and America-haters, who are leftist but not necessarily as extreme or as committed as those in group #1; (3) the religious groups and pacifists; and (4) the soccer moms and other miscellaneous dupes of groups 1 through 3, who find talk of war "scary" and just want to close their eyes, click their heels, and hope the bad guys go away.
42 posted on 02/18/2003 10:11:09 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: MJM59
to think that this is going to stop terrorism is naive

Yes, that would be naive. If and when you ever see someone who actually claimed that defeating Hussein would "stop terrorism", do let us know! I've never seen anyone say this, myself.

The very next day after we declare victory, some fundamentalist knuclehead can drive through the Lincoln tunnel with a McVeigh style bomb and blow the whole thing to hell.

Uh, what? If an FK (fundamentalist knucklehead) can do this "after we declare victory", why aren't they doing it now - in fact, why didn't they do it yesterday?

Some people have this bizarre idea that there are a bunch of FK's out there right now who lead normal lives and work at Microsoft or something, completely happy, but if we dare to dethrone Hussein then BOOM suddenly they will become terrorists.

That's the equation in many peoples' minds: these FK guys will leave us alone if we leave Hussein in power, but if we oust him, only then will they become terrorists.

This is just... a bizarre thing to believe.

1. First of all, I'm sure it's exactly what Hussein would want you to believe: "Don't ever attack me, you'll wake up the sleepers, yeah, that's it!"

2. You also must think that fundamentalist Muslims really, really love the secularist, Muslim-killing Saddam Hussein. After all, apparently they're all willing to die to keep him in power (but again, if we leave him alone, they'll continue leading normal lives and won't attack us at all).

3. Essentially your attitude expressed here boils down to pre-emptive self-deterrence. "Let's not attack murderers, because if we do, then other murderers might kill us."

Well hell, if that's how you feel why don't we just surrender the entire U.S. to Saddam pre-emptively, in the first place, and be done with it? I mean it's just too dangerous to attack Saddam Hussein! He's that powerful and loved!

All hail Saddam Hussein!

9/11 was perpetrated not with WMD, but with civilian aircraft.

Yeah, good point. Just think if they'd had WMDs.

If anyone thinks that we as a nation can sleep soundly after Iraq is defeated, you better give it some more thought.

I agree. Iraq is just one step. Who is saying otherwise?

BTW, Saddam should be taken out. But, that should have been done the last time we went to war with these idiots. Mr. "I Just Had An Aircraft Carrier Named After Me" blew that one in the very same manner that allowed Nazi Germany to rise to power after WWI.

I agree. And Nazi Germany had to be dealt with, eventually, right?

Well, the sooner, the better. Waiting only makes Hussein stronger.

43 posted on 02/18/2003 10:12:24 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Southack
So no, these agitators are not peace-supporters. They've simply hi-jacked that moniker in order to help conceal their real motivations and ideologies...

Exactly

44 posted on 02/18/2003 10:12:46 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: TigersEye
What is the point of a war with Iraq? Just what lasting impact will it serve? Even if we defeat them and put some sort of government in power. How is this going to ensure the safety of the United States? Just because you do not have WMD, doesn't mean that you can't still kill a lot of people in some other sort of terrorist attack.
45 posted on 02/18/2003 10:12:49 AM PST by MJM59
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To: TemperBay
So my protest, and that of many, many others I rallied with, isn't against war, it is against waging war on a nation of people when a simple assassination of one bully would do.

Hmmm, I guess we could have averted WWII by "simply" assininationg Hitler. And forget about these dictators armies according to your logic, they are just peace loving armies.

46 posted on 02/18/2003 10:14:47 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: MJM59
9/11 was perpetrated not with WMD, but with civilian aircraft. If anyone thinks that we as a nation can sleep soundly after Iraq is defeated, you better give it some more thought.

Terrorists don't operate or train in a vacuum. Those who harbor terrorists are as bad as terrorists. If you don't believe this, try driving a car for a bank robber who kills people while robbing the bank before he gets back in your getaway car.

48 posted on 02/18/2003 10:17:59 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: MJM59
Just because you do not have WMD, doesn't mean that you can't still kill a lot of people in some other sort of terrorist attack.

Sheesh, a WMD can kill millions. I suppose that's not a problem for you.

49 posted on 02/18/2003 10:20:07 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: LibservitiveRepublicrat
Just ignore all the facts about the Major support that the terrorist groups get from the Saudis, the Iranians, and the Syrians.

Good, I guess we can count on your support when we CONTINUE this LONG war on terrorists and let other terrorist nations know they're next.

50 posted on 02/18/2003 10:21:35 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro
I agree 100% with you, but we have the naivety factor that plays into this.
Listening to coworkers in the halls, or less-than-informed in-laws, the Oprah crowd, they believe that "it's all about oil", W is going to war to enhance his wealth. Now you can and should explain the truth, but they are just as happy to live with this simple little lie and not hurt their brain too much and go about their lives. They just don't care.
51 posted on 02/18/2003 10:22:08 AM PST by PLOM...NOT!
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To: LibservitiveRepublicrat
You are confused. This will take many years to complete, and we do it with one success at a time.

Your types don't want to hear that. You can't win elections if we are in the middle of fighting threats to our national security, so you would rather put forth any argument to prevent a substantial Left loss in the next election.

Ask Dennis Kucinich. He'll tell you.
52 posted on 02/18/2003 10:28:09 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: MJM59
What is the point of a war with Iraq?

To destroy Saddam's arsenal of WMD and prevent him from sharing those weapons with his contacts in al queda, hamas, hezbollah, et. al. To prevent him from continuing his work on developing a nuclear device, and thus become another North Korea. And as a side benefit, we get to feel warm and fuzzy about taking out a brutal, maniacal dictator that has people's tongues cut out for dissent and tortures children in front of their parents for sport.

Just what lasting impact will it serve?

Elimination of the threats to our people and the rest of the world as described above. The establishment of a democratic (eventually) regime in Iraq that will become the staging point for other democratic revolutions in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the rest of that den of tin-pot dictators.

Just because you do not have WMD, doesn't mean that you can't still kill a lot of people in some other sort of terrorist attack.

Uh-huh. True. What's your point? That's a total non-sequitor.

53 posted on 02/18/2003 10:30:36 AM PST by borkrules
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To: MJM59
What is the point of a war with Iraq? Just what lasting impact will it serve?

The point is to remove the huge supplies of chemical and biological poisons (and the means to deliver them) from Hussein specifically and Iraq in general. The lasting impact would be a significant reduction of those materials in unstable hands. It cost a lot of money and took a relatively high standard of technology to produce them. They can't be replaced easily or quickly.

Even if we defeat them and put some sort of government in power. How is this going to ensure the safety of the United States?

I hope we don't put a government in power there. Pres. Bush has specifically said he wants the Iraqi people to choose their own government. No one has said it will "insure" our safety but it obviously increases it. We have other fish to fry when this one is fully cooked.

Just because you do not have WMD, doesn't mean that you can't still kill a lot of people in some other sort of terrorist attack.

Right. True. You would prefer that we save our energy and just let the WMD option remain in Saddam's hands where terrorists (other than himself) might obtain them? In other words; "if he can get his hands on a stick of dynamite why worry that he has a nuke"? Explain that logic to me please.

54 posted on 02/18/2003 10:32:42 AM PST by TigersEye (Let the liberals whine -- it's what they do.)
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To: PLOM...NOT!
"it's all about oil",

If it were all about oil then why did Bush sr. leave the oil alone when we ran them out of Kuwait and nobody was left to protect the country. sheesh, idiots they feed off the liberal media lies.

55 posted on 02/18/2003 10:33:14 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: borkrules
What's your point? That's a total non-sequitor.

As are almost all of the so called "reasons" from the anti-Bush, anti-American protestors.

56 posted on 02/18/2003 10:34:26 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: LibservitiveRepublicrat
Just ignore all the facts about the Major support that the terrorist groups get from the Saudis, the Iranians, and the Syrians.

All in due time. ; )

57 posted on 02/18/2003 10:39:19 AM PST by TigersEye (Let the liberals whine -- it's what they do.)
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To: belmont_mark; Alamo-Girl; 1Old Pro
John Millis said Clinton was the worst president for counterintel, and sucked a shotgun in the Breezeway Motel.

Ray Kelly is Hitlery's police commissioner in NYC as he was under Dinkins.

In the interim he was traitorrapist42's Customs Commissioner and was named to Interpol along with Waco stooge Ron Noble.

As with KGB Active Measures and the Nuclear Freeze, these anacephalics are Saddam's and Butch's "useful idiots".

Hitlery interned under Communist Robert Treuhaft, and learned to lie about her radicalism from Saul Alinsky, subject of her sealed Wellesley thesis.

The current "anti-war" operation bears all the marks of "active measures", a confederacy of dunces serving the hammer and sickle.

58 posted on 02/18/2003 10:41:54 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery, das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Brad Cloven
This severe disagreement over the legitimacy of Western Civilization is being manifested via the secondary conflict with Islamofascism. The left is just unwilling to defend the security of civilization

Agree. What is happening on the left is a symptom of the fact that Western Civilization as we have known it since circa 1500 is in decay.

59 posted on 02/18/2003 10:48:40 AM PST by colorado tanker (raise the bounty on weasels)
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To: PhilDragoo
The current "anti-war" operation bears all the marks of "active measures", a confederacy of dunces serving the hammer and sickle.

Many of the organizers are communists, as was the case in the San Francisco anti-Bush rally. Most of the participants are the very active Gore/Nadar voters who hate Bush and despise America.

60 posted on 02/18/2003 10:49:02 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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