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Legend of a 'noble South' rises again
Sun Movie Critic ^ | February 16, 2003 | Chris Kaltenbach

Posted on 02/17/2003 10:41:15 AM PST by stainlessbanner

Director says 'Gods' has Southern slant, but 'full humanity'

The North may have won the Civil War, but in Hollywood, the South reigns triumphant.

That was certainly true in 1915, when D.W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation portrayed the conflict as a war of Northern aggression where order was restored only by the arrival of the Ku Klux Klan. It was true in 1939, when Gone With the Wind looked back on the antebellum South as an unrivalled period of grace and beauty never to be seen again. It was true when Clint Eastwood played The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976), a Confederate war veteran who has run afoul of Northern "justice."

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To: Non-Sequitur
If the tariff was such a bone of contention the why was one of the first acts of the confederate congress the passing of a tariff?

Under that same reasoning, if the progressive income tax was such a bone of contention then why was one of the first major acts of Ronald Reagan's presidency the passing of a tax bill?

In case you are still lost as to the answer (which would not surprise me in the least considering your economic ignorance and willful dishonesty), both bills had something in common - they enacted lower tax rates than the liberals had. With the civil war, the north installed a rate of about 36% that rose to over 45% by the war's end. The confederates enacted a rate that was half of that at about 18% and lowered it even further to about 13% by May 1861.

261 posted on 02/21/2003 12:43:15 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Lincoln was absolutely unwilling to see slavery expanded into the national territories. That was his bedrock position.

If that was, as you say, his bedrock position, then no better way of achieving it existed than to let the south permanently exclude itself from those same territories by the voluntarily act of seceding.

262 posted on 02/21/2003 12:45:52 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: Grand Old Partisan
In any case, I don't see how Grant could have owned slaves, never having lived in a slave state.

With respect, Grant's wife and her family came from Missouri and Grant's father-in-law was a slave owner. Grant himself owned a slave, given to him by his father-in-law, for a brief period in 1858-59 but when he moved to Illinois Grant gave the man his freedom rather than sell him, even though Grant could have used the money. Mrs. Grant had the use of several of the Dent family slaves on and off during her married life but all of the Dent slaves were freed in January or February of 1863.

263 posted on 02/21/2003 12:55:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
The confederate tariff rates were at about the same level that the U.S. tariff had been when the south seceded.
264 posted on 02/21/2003 12:58:46 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Yeah, that 'strong repugnance' lasted until April 24, 1863 when the confederate congress added their own income tax. Here, see for yourself.

Curious assertion. From that link...

"...and the income and profits derived from any source whatever, except salaries, during the calendar year preceding the said first day of January next, and the said income and profits shall be ascertained, assessed and taxed in the manner hereinafter prescribed..."

In other words, an "income" tax that exempts salaries. So what were all those non-salary things that were being taxed? A brief examination of that bill indicates that they were almost all types of excise and sales taxes, not income taxes. Most of them were taxes on "luxury items" such as tobacco and alcohol and various entertainment and travel related industries. For example, this includes a 2.5% tax on sales by auction, a fee based tax of 5% on alcohol wholesaling, a flat annual fee for pawn broker sales, a property value assessment-based fee for hotels, a percentage fee for tobacco sales, a percentage fee on theater ticket sales and other similar entertainment activities, and various percentage based taxes on different types of liquor sales. In other words, hardly anything even remotely resembling the "income tax" you purported to have been contained in that bill. It was a nice try though - attempting to pass off sales and excise taxes as an "income tax." But as is typically the case with everything you post, it simply does not withstand scrutiny.

265 posted on 02/21/2003 1:02:14 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: WhiskeyPapa
There were no federal taxes in 1860. None

The congressional record indicates that a tariff with average rates of about 18% was enacted federally in 1857 and stayed in place until it was doubled in 1861, and then raised again to over 45%.

266 posted on 02/21/2003 1:04:01 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Throughout 1862 President Lincoln pushed compensated emancipation and relocation schemes. Tariffs are not mentioned.

That could have something to do with the fact that Lincoln already got the high tariff he wanted in 1861.

267 posted on 02/21/2003 1:05:26 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
You are quoting from the section on taxes in incomes and profits except salaries. How could you get to Section 7 without first reading Section 6?

That upon the salaries of all salaried persons serving in any capacity whatever, except upon the salaries of persons in the military or naval service, there shall be levied and collected a tax of one per centum on the gross amount of such salary, when not exceeding fifteen hundred dollars, and two per centum upon an excess over that amount, to be levied and collected at the end of each year, in the manner prescribed for other taxes enumerated in this act: Provided, That no taxes shall be imposed by virtue of this act on the salary of any person receiving a salary not exceeding one thousand dollars per annum, or at a like rate for another period of time, longer or shorter.

Not trying to be 'willfully dishonest' are we?

268 posted on 02/21/2003 1:08:31 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
There were no federal taxes in 1860. None

The congressional record indicates that a tariff with average rates of about 18% was enacted federally in 1857 and stayed in place until it was doubled in 1861, and then raised again to over 45%.

Buy American. You won't pay a penny.

" Antebellum Americans had been one of the most lightly taxed peoples on earth. And the per capita burden in the South had been only half that in the free states. Except for tariff duties-which despite Southern complaints were lower in the late 1850's than they had been for more than 50 years- virtually all taxes were collected by state and local governments."

--Battle Cry of Freedom, James McPherson

Walt

269 posted on 02/21/2003 1:14:55 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: jlogajan
It is the uniqueness of our southern cultural identity and the strong sense of independence, rooted firmly in the Constitution, that we want to preserve. We do not want our traditions and our way of life bastardized by liberals and the courseness which earmarks their idea of what America ought to be. We wish to maintain our distinct individuality and it is our right to do so. No one is required to live here, just like nobody is required to take part in this thread. If you can't respect our views that's fine, but showing up just to disrupt is about as welcome as a pile of dog sh*t on the floor at a dinner party.
270 posted on 02/21/2003 1:24:20 PM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: FloridaBoy
"if known..getting out..was not as easy as gett'n in they never would have joined in the first place"

This was a voiced, & considered concern by all states. The sovereignty of each state was clearly established and guaranteed from day one. That sovereignty remained solemn, until it became inconvenient.

Apparantly, disregarding established constructs, breaking promises, or establishing the slave trade for an entire nation does not exclude one from the pulpit of moral superiority. Victory does have its perks.

271 posted on 02/21/2003 1:24:34 PM PST by laotzu
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To: GOPcapitalist
Throughout 1862 President Lincoln pushed compensated emancipation and relocation schemes. Tariffs are not mentioned.

That could have something to do with the fact that Lincoln already got the high tariff he wanted in 1861.

Obviously nonsense, as Lincoln's aim was the maintenance of the Union. If tariffs were an issue, he would have offered a course of action to address that grievance.

Tariffs were not enough of an irritant to cause the war.

The slave power brought on the war because their ponzi scheme in human flesh would come crashing down unless the peculiar institution could expand.

Walt

272 posted on 02/21/2003 1:25:01 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: sweetliberty
"the uniqueness of our southern cultural identity"

Most eloquently stated; as only a native son of the South could.

Thank you sir.

273 posted on 02/21/2003 1:30:43 PM PST by laotzu
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To: sweetliberty
It is the uniqueness of our southern cultural identity and the strong sense of independence, rooted firmly in the Constitution, that we want to preserve.

You mean like this:

"I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation, without having lodged somewhere a power which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner, as the authority of the different state governments extends over the several states. To be fearful of vesting Congress, constituted as that body is, with ample authorities for national purposes, appears to me to be the very climax of popular absurdity and madness."

George Washington to John Jay, 15 August 1786

Walt

274 posted on 02/21/2003 1:31:18 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: laotzu
"Most eloquently stated; as only a native son of the South could."

Make that "daughter". And thank you for the compliment.

275 posted on 02/21/2003 1:34:31 PM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Can you provide any evidence at all that any of the southern leadership held positions more open towards blacks than did Abraham Lincoln? Just curious"

It is also clear that Lincoln and most of his supporters did not believe in racial equality and that his preferred solution to the racial problem was to ship the African-Americans away, and short of that to leave them to "root hog or die."

From "Statement of College and University Professors in Support of the Confederate Battle Flag Atop the South Carolina Statehouse"

"It must be admitted, truth compels me to admit...Abraham Lincoln was not, in the fullest sense of the word, either our man or our model. In his interests, in his associations, in his habits of thought, and in his prejudices, he was a white man. He was preeminently the white man's president, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the last years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people, to promote the welfare of the white people of his country."

Frederick Douglass, noted African-American leader.

"Although the South would have preferred any honourable compromise to the fratricidal war which has taken place, she now accepts in good faith its constitutional results, and receives without reserve the amendment which has already been made to the constitution for the extinction of slavery. This is an event that has long been sought, though in a different way, and by none has it been more earnestly desired than by citizens of Virginia."

Gen. R.E. Lee, 1866.

276 posted on 02/21/2003 1:35:01 PM PST by groanup
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To: Ohioan
"I found the other day that there is actually a group actively trying to get Disney to reissue "Song Of The South."

It is my understanding that the NAACP actually purchased the rights to Song of the South. If that is the case, then would Disney even be able to reproduce it? I think it is very sad really. Song of the South was a delightful movie. I guess it just won't do to have anybody see a black man in the old south portrayed as a happy and well-adjusted individual. It isn't conducive to the agenda and counters the propaganda of the racist liberals.

277 posted on 02/21/2003 1:45:50 PM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"their ponzi scheme in human flesh"

It was the North that introduced, and established slavery to this nation. It was they who first invested themselves by becoming slavers to a continent.

And successful they were!

To their north, the Canadian slaves were freed prior to the North's. To their south, the Confederate slaves were freed prior to the North's. Tenacious business men these yankees.

Be proud of your heritage. Honor does not require that you drag anothers heritage down to feel better about yours. On its own, the North has good reason to trumpet its practices and accomplishments. (well, maybe not its practices)

Wasn't peanut butter an invention of the North? And who doesn't like peanut butter?

278 posted on 02/21/2003 1:47:18 PM PST by laotzu
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To: FreepLady; wardaddy
"being a lifelong belle myself, I can honestly say that I often repeat Scarletts words to myself and act them out"

Actually, I always thought it was adaptive. Have you ever noticed that southern women don't seem to be plagued with depression the way so many are in other places? I think that maybe this attitude is one reason. It reflects kind of a tenacity and refusal to give in to defeat in the face of an overwhelming circumstance and helps to keep things in perspective.


279 posted on 02/21/2003 1:51:07 PM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: groanup
That's not what I asked. Can you give me a quote from any southern leader that indicates that their position towards blacks was more generous than Lincoln's? You criticize him for believing that whites were superior to blacks. Well, what southern leader disagreed with that? You criticize him for 'root hog or die'. Well, what was the alternative? Southern leaders wanted black slaves right where they were, out in the field working to increase profits. Those few free blacks that were around they wanted anywhere except where the white planters were, and for that matter the fewer free blacks there were the better. So you tell me, as bad as you claim Lincoln's beliefs were how can they help but be better than any southern leader?
280 posted on 02/21/2003 1:58:12 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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