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Assault rifles offer a bit too much for home defense
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Posted on 02/16/2003 8:38:11 PM PST by conservativefromGa

John Strauss

Assault rifles offer a bit too much for home defense

February 14, 2003

As store shelves throughout the city are emptied of duct tape and plastic sheeting by people concerned about terrorist attacks, other folks think the best defense is a good offense.

Don Davis said gun sales at his Westside store have doubled since the latest terrorism alert. He said the $599 AK-47 is a top seller.

Davis became locally famous a few years ago with endlessly repeated TV commercials in which he cocked a finger at the camera and cackled, "Folks, I don't want to make money -- I just love to sell guns."

It turns out that terrorism sells.

"For me, when times are bad, business is good," Davis said Thursday.

He was at a trade show in Florida this week, shopping for gas masks for customers suddenly nervous about chemical or biological attacks.

At his Don's Guns, manager Ben Chance let me test-fire the AK-47 and a $999 Bushmaster, similar to the military M-16, in the store's indoor range.

The Bushmaster delivers a high-velocity round very accurately with little kick. The AK-47 will give you a jolt, but with that kick you get a larger round capable, they say, of going through a car's engine block.

Just what you need to stop terrorists invading your subdivision.

Of course, some people might end up with guns simply for home protection. And if that's the case, Chance says, an old-fashioned shotgun might do the trick.

"A 12-gauge is a nice gun to have in the house. You don't have to aim the gun. You just point it in the general vicinity, and you're actually going to hit what you're pointing toward, because (the shot) scatters."

Business also was up at 500 Guns on the Westside and at Pop Guns Trading Post on the Eastside. But managers at those stores said that had more to do with the arrival of income tax refund checks than Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein.

"There have been a few people come in and express concern," said Mike Hilton, the manager at Pop Guns. "But overall, people tend to be pretty complacent about it, to be honest."

Hilton said he recommends that someone who wants a gun take a training course. Then, once he has an idea of their skill level, he'll suggest a firearm -- often a small revolver.

He's not big on the AK-47 in this case. If used for self-defense, it's likely to "overpenetrate" -- go right through the attacker, through the wall of your home, through the wall of the next house and into somebody there.

Guy Montgomery, manager of 500 Guns, also recommends a revolver -- not a battlefield rifle -- for home defense.

Still, there's a magnetism about the assault weapons. Firing one of these guns is the shooting equivalent of twisting the throttle on a squat Harley -- lots of noise and simple, raw power.

They're fun, but they may not be real practical.

So if you're convinced al-Qaida is down the street and you want to establish a defensive perimeter in the front hallway, do the neighbors a favor.

Just borrow dad's old shotgun.


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KEYWORDS: assaultrifles; banglist; guns
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To: from occupied ga
We tried that one in tests for our Explosive Ordnance Disposal teams needs. It was too big and the kinetic energy was too great for what we refered to as small munitions disruption aka SMUD duty. The Swedish HEI Raufaus .50 BMG round and AP or APIT met our needs and we also stayed with an American Manufacturer, Mr Ronnie Barrett.

But hey I do like that Steyr AMR......just can't get ammo for it in Texas.............yet :o)

Stay Safe !

241 posted on 02/18/2003 8:28:28 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Crowcreek
Yes, Agree the Barrett is like shooting a days worth of trap and skeet with regards to recoil. Well designed brake and recoil buffers and recoiling barrel makes it's recoil 12 gauge # 9 birdshot like per se......

As to the .460, I have observed a trend . When I give someone two rounds to shoot, they will usually give one of em back after the first is fired :o)

Stay Safe !!

242 posted on 02/18/2003 8:34:29 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: All
but just in case you wanted to harden little pointed cylinders of T-15 steel, T-15 has to be heated to extremely high heat 2300F (white heat) and then plunged into water or oil.

Kiddies,don't try this at home! It is VERY dangerous to plunge anything this hot into either oil or water. In one case you can get fire,and in the other you get steam. Either one will require a trip to a burn unit. If you have never had any experience with metal-hardening through quenching,LEAVE IT ALONE!

243 posted on 02/18/2003 11:55:54 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
In one case you can get fire

True, but you most likely wouldn't be doing this unless you had just a wee bit o machining experience anyway. It's not like you can do this on your kitchen stove :-)

244 posted on 02/18/2003 12:12:21 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: from occupied ga
For home defense, one's castle dontchaknow, I am an advocate of the aim for lower center of mass/triple + one tap: a once or twice gut/groin shot perp will go down where the head shot will stop his immediate threat - all in a matter of a couple of heartbeats. I load #4 bunny, #2 goose, #4 buck, OOO, repeat. At hall + living room distances, a 20 is as good as a 12, as patterns will be at most little more than 6 inches.

Never assume that there is only one perp. These days I prepare for a gangs's "initiation" invasion. Reload at any pause. After dark, when alerted, I always loop over my head a 55 round (#4 buck) bandelero as I grab my loaded 12.

Set interior motion detectors with blinding 120 watt flood lights aimed away from your familiy's sleeping quarters toward doors.

245 posted on 02/18/2003 1:16:32 PM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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To: harpseal; Travis McGee; Squantos; sneakypete; Chapita
Some of us do live by the rule one can never ever have too many guns.

This is only one, I fished out of the great flood of '27, when I lost all mine.

246 posted on 02/18/2003 2:08:16 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Squantos; harpseal
Now THAT, coupled with a brace of big-bore revolvers and some good ammo, carried to Jurassic Park's safari-section, would DEFINETELY be accompanied by a big-a$$ charcoal grill, and some chainsaws for the carving! Not to mention a couple gallons of A-1, BBQ sauce, and Tabasco!

I bet the skins'd make you some DAMN nice boots, too.

247 posted on 02/18/2003 2:20:25 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: xrp
Allow me to add my "Amen, bro!" to the list.

Scouts out! Cavalry Ho!

248 posted on 02/18/2003 2:30:57 PM PST by wku man
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To: Long Cut
"The 7.62x39mm AK round is simply NOT the "all-powerful death-dealer" the media would sell it as."

You're right, and the .223 isn't a "high-powered" round as was widely reported back during the D.C. shootings. Anyone who's fired a .30-06 or bigger, and then a .223, could tell you the difference between "high-powered" and "high-velocity" (yes, the NRA has a "high-powered" category which includes the .223, but just because the NRA says it doesn't make it right).

I remember back in the late 80s, during media-induced hysteria over the Uzi carbine, one of the Commie networks showed an Uzi being fired at concrete blocks, which naturally disintegrated. They went on to talk about the "ultra-powerful 9mm bullet" as if it were a Phaser. Even on the rare occasion when someone in the media tries to tell the full story about firearms, they fail miserably.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

249 posted on 02/18/2003 2:43:38 PM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
Ever notice that ANY media story about ANY firearms always includes the words,"High-Powered" in it somewhere? I'm at the point where WHENEVER I see those words, I disregard the writer's story right off. Never do you hear those two words from ANYONE with even a passing knowledge of firearms.

On that note, have you seen the gyrations and heard the squeaking and beeping of some Leftist weaklings over the new S&W .50 cal revolver? This piece has them in a fear frenzy! Do a search on FR for the articles, it almost seems that those who are speaking out about this weapon are pissing their panties even as they speak!

250 posted on 02/18/2003 2:52:25 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: from occupied ga
It's not like you can do this on your kitchen stove :-)

You might be surprised at what some people will try.

251 posted on 02/18/2003 5:32:55 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: conservativefromGa; Squantos; harpseal; Long Cut; All
for more on the Barrett "Payload Rifle"
252 posted on 02/18/2003 6:35:57 PM PST by dogbrain (my fish needs a new bicycle)
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To: Marauder
That first shot really stung my palm although I knew it was going to happen.

Try adding one of those forearms with the pistol grip; I found that it really helps control and soften the felt recoil.

253 posted on 02/18/2003 10:06:52 PM PST by TXnMA ((No Longer!!!))
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To: dogbrain
Very nice ..... thanks for the link
254 posted on 02/18/2003 11:03:35 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: sneakypete
You might be surprised at what some people will try.

Nope I wouldn't be surprised - that's why they have the Darwin Awards. About 4 years ago a couple of bright lights from south of the border were working construction in Athens GA (about 50 miles from Atlanta) when they had trouble with the hydraulics on the bucket of their front end loader. They shut it off (with the bucket raised and full of dirt) got under the bucket and disconnected the hydraulic line. Scrunch. Both DOA. Look at it this way. If someone can't harden steel without damaging themselves, what are they likely to do reloading? Would you want to fire one of their reloads? I wouldn't.

255 posted on 02/19/2003 5:24:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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