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Assault rifles offer a bit too much for home defense
Indy Star ^

Posted on 02/16/2003 8:38:11 PM PST by conservativefromGa

John Strauss

Assault rifles offer a bit too much for home defense

February 14, 2003

As store shelves throughout the city are emptied of duct tape and plastic sheeting by people concerned about terrorist attacks, other folks think the best defense is a good offense.

Don Davis said gun sales at his Westside store have doubled since the latest terrorism alert. He said the $599 AK-47 is a top seller.

Davis became locally famous a few years ago with endlessly repeated TV commercials in which he cocked a finger at the camera and cackled, "Folks, I don't want to make money -- I just love to sell guns."

It turns out that terrorism sells.

"For me, when times are bad, business is good," Davis said Thursday.

He was at a trade show in Florida this week, shopping for gas masks for customers suddenly nervous about chemical or biological attacks.

At his Don's Guns, manager Ben Chance let me test-fire the AK-47 and a $999 Bushmaster, similar to the military M-16, in the store's indoor range.

The Bushmaster delivers a high-velocity round very accurately with little kick. The AK-47 will give you a jolt, but with that kick you get a larger round capable, they say, of going through a car's engine block.

Just what you need to stop terrorists invading your subdivision.

Of course, some people might end up with guns simply for home protection. And if that's the case, Chance says, an old-fashioned shotgun might do the trick.

"A 12-gauge is a nice gun to have in the house. You don't have to aim the gun. You just point it in the general vicinity, and you're actually going to hit what you're pointing toward, because (the shot) scatters."

Business also was up at 500 Guns on the Westside and at Pop Guns Trading Post on the Eastside. But managers at those stores said that had more to do with the arrival of income tax refund checks than Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein.

"There have been a few people come in and express concern," said Mike Hilton, the manager at Pop Guns. "But overall, people tend to be pretty complacent about it, to be honest."

Hilton said he recommends that someone who wants a gun take a training course. Then, once he has an idea of their skill level, he'll suggest a firearm -- often a small revolver.

He's not big on the AK-47 in this case. If used for self-defense, it's likely to "overpenetrate" -- go right through the attacker, through the wall of your home, through the wall of the next house and into somebody there.

Guy Montgomery, manager of 500 Guns, also recommends a revolver -- not a battlefield rifle -- for home defense.

Still, there's a magnetism about the assault weapons. Firing one of these guns is the shooting equivalent of twisting the throttle on a squat Harley -- lots of noise and simple, raw power.

They're fun, but they may not be real practical.

So if you're convinced al-Qaida is down the street and you want to establish a defensive perimeter in the front hallway, do the neighbors a favor.

Just borrow dad's old shotgun.


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KEYWORDS: assaultrifles; banglist; guns
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To: sneakypete
I live in SW GA, so the winter here lasts about two weeks. Not too many heavy coats to worry about. If the 6's dont dissuade a would-be intruder, the ensuing encounter he will have with the #1 buck almost certianly will. At any range inside my house (typical ranch layout), penetration really wouldnt be an issue. Blunt trauma would stop him.
201 posted on 02/17/2003 11:48:12 AM PST by way-right-of-center (it's easy to hide when no one is looking)
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To: way-right-of-center
One more comment before i go back to work.

This may have already been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but IMO the most effective home/self defense weapon is one you are comfortable with and are confident in. If you are proficient with a pistol, use a pistol. If you have confidence in a scattergun, same story. If you are hell-on-wheels with a garden hoe, go for it. At any rate, take a course and get some training in the proper use/care of your weapon of choice. Its not as easy as you think to grab a weapon and defend yourself with a bad guy barelling down on you.

Just my 2 cents...
202 posted on 02/17/2003 12:07:51 PM PST by way-right-of-center (it's easy to hide when no one is looking)
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To: way-right-of-center
The problem is some of us are relatively proficient with multiple weapons and are faced with decisions decisions. Do I use the 1911 with the cutom rubber grips, the Kimber, the EAA witness, the Remington 1100, the Mauser .45acp, etc. I figure start anyplace and work my way through until there is no more home invader acapable of continuing an attack on me.
203 posted on 02/17/2003 12:23:09 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: sneakypete
They are super reliable,though.

Due to the loose tolerances which lead to less a less accurate rifle as you mentioned it is.

204 posted on 02/17/2003 12:25:46 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: SauronOfMordor
Although one time I did absent-mindedly shoot buckshot through a rifled 12-guage barrel (which is designed for rifled slugs). It produced a yard-wide doughnut pattern at 7 yards, due to the spin imparted to the buckshot.

Interesting. I will definitely have to do some more research!

205 posted on 02/17/2003 12:41:10 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Nick The Freeper
I got mine ata gun shop in Colorado Springs for $239 with the ported 28" bbl. I've heard that wally-mart sells them also for about that sme price.
206 posted on 02/17/2003 12:45:50 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: from occupied ga
Thanks.
207 posted on 02/17/2003 2:50:40 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Long Cut
The Jurassic Park movies were even WORSE...at NO TIME in eany of them did ANY gun ever work against the dinos.

Face it,if they had it would have been a VERY short movie.

208 posted on 02/17/2003 2:57:11 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: harpseal
Then I could find out f they taste like chicken.

Well,they were supposed to be the ancestors of today's birds. Can't see anybody pulling up to a drive-in window and ordering a bucket of T-Rex wings,though.

209 posted on 02/17/2003 3:02:48 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Billy_bob_bob
If you can find the name of the video and where I might get a copy I would appreciate it.

I'm pretty sure Dillon (the reloading press people) sell it through their free booklet "The Blue Press". They even have a toll free number you can call,but I don't know what it is anymore.I'm also pretty certain they have a web site. Do a search using "Dillon" and "reloading presses". Dillon himself is seriously into full-auto weapons,and has a bunch of them.

210 posted on 02/17/2003 3:09:19 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
"Face it,if they had it would have been a VERY short movie"

Actually, the word is that Steven Spielberg has "got religion" and will no longer allow ANY positive, favorable portrayal of guns or their use in his films. This DESPITE the hipocrite's having what is reported to be the finest gun collection in H'wood, shy of Heston.

After all, it was HE who digitally removed all the guns from "E.T." and replaced them with radios!

Of course, this does not apply to films like "Saving Private Ryan", wherein the guns are used against people he doesn't like.

211 posted on 02/17/2003 3:16:08 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: sneakypete; harpseal; Squantos; Travis McGee; Shooter 2.5
I always wondered WHAT you'd use if you were hunting, or had to shoot, a dinosaur. Let's see...a T-Rex weighed about 8-12 tons and stood a good 20 feet tall. Thick hide could be assumed, as could a well-protected nervous system.

I don't think I'd want to take one on willingly with less than a .460, and even THEN I'd want a larger-than-stock magazine.

For bigger game, like Brontos or Brachiosaurs, in the 30-70 ton range, a .50 would probably be best. Opinions? I KNOW it's pure speculation, but hell, it's fun.

212 posted on 02/17/2003 3:21:20 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: way-right-of-center
At any range inside my house (typical ranch layout), penetration really wouldnt be an issue. Blunt trauma would stop him.

You betcha! Especially blunt trauma caused by penetration from the wad! Think "plastic slug",and you won't be far off the mark. I've seen the plastic wad cup from light field loads in 20 gauge penetrate a galvanized steel 30 gallon trash can. And at typical room distances,that IS what you would be dealing with.

213 posted on 02/17/2003 3:22:12 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: harpseal
That comment was geared more toward people who want to invest in a single weapon to protect the home. Not for gun nuts...err...enthusiasts..like you and I.
214 posted on 02/17/2003 3:22:49 PM PST by way-right-of-center (it's easy to hide when no one is looking)
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To: Long Cut
I personally would want the 20mm Barret at minimum for a T-Rex that thing has way too big a set of teeth to trust anything less.
215 posted on 02/17/2003 3:47:13 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: way-right-of-center
My apologies for what was an attempt at humor on my part.
216 posted on 02/17/2003 3:47:56 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
"I personally would want the 20mm Barret"

I'm assuming, for discussion's sake, that we are limited to non-destructive devices, AND that we would want to preserve as much of the meat as possible.

Believe it or not, in a discussion of this same topic in my shop, one guy SWORE that he could do it with his trusty bow and arrow. Lucky for him, he'd never had to prove it. He was a weird one, BTW.

218 posted on 02/17/2003 3:56:30 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: conservativefromGa
That is a wonderful picture and I would love to have one of those for home protection.
219 posted on 02/17/2003 3:56:42 PM PST by rambo316
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To: umgud
I would like to have that new pistol that came out. I think that it was by Smith and Wesson. It was a 50ca.
220 posted on 02/17/2003 3:59:17 PM PST by rambo316
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