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French see Bush as the Ugly American
USA TODAY to My Yahoo! ^ | Fri Feb 14, 8:10 AM ET | Vivienne Walt

Posted on 02/15/2003 1:20:48 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner

PARIS -- In France's popular television satire, Les Guignols d'Info (The News Puppets), a Sylvester Stallone puppet struts on screen nightly, threatening to shoot 'em up against the Iraqis. French viewers clutching their sides in laughter understand who the show is lampooning: George W. Bush.

The disdain for Bush among many French people -- exacerbated by the U.S. administration's aggressive push for a war in Iraq -- is just one of several factors tearing the two allies apart. But it is the most visible. The view here and across parts of Europe is that the U.S. president's style and policies embody all that is brash, crass and impolitic about America. One reason the level of frustration may have reached a new high is many here feel there is little they or their leaders can do against America's overwhelming power.

The shift in attitude is dramatic since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, when French people regularly stopped Americans in Paris to express their solidarity. France's Liberation newspaper published a poll 10 days later showing 73% of the French public believed their country should participate in any military action by U.S. forces in response to the attacks. On Sept. 12, 2001, the front page of France's largest newspaper, Le Monde, declared, ''We are all Americans.''

But they will be all French on Saturday, when thousands are expected to gather here as part of worldwide protests against a war in Iraq. A poll last week by the firm IFOP found that 77% of French adults oppose a war in Iraq, even if the U.N. Security Council gives its endorsement. And 81% said they didn't believe U.S. arguments that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) has been developing weapons of mass destruction in defiance of U.N. resolutions. Polls in Germany and several other European countries have shown similar opposition to the U.S. push to disarm Iraq by force.

But Iraq is only the latest in a series of irritants here. Among them:

* The environment. The United States has refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites) on global warming (news - web sites), which France supports.

* The death penalty. Bush was first known here as the governor of Texas, a state noted for its use of the death penalty. France outlawed capital punishment in the 1970s.

* The International Criminal Court. The Bush administration has criticized plans for the new body and demanded that U.S. military forces have immunity from prosecution.

* The increasing U.S. cultural invasion of Europe. ''The U.S. is everywhere here,'' says Philippe Moreau Defarges of the Institute of International Relations in Paris. ''We watch American movies. We eat at McDonald's. We've got EuroDisney.''

Bush is seen as an ill-informed bully who is indifferent to history. The U.S. president's regular-guy Texan style grates on French nerves. ''He comes off to the French as narrow-minded and a cowboy,'' says Jacques Bille, managing director of France's Association of Advertising Agencies.

Bush's statements about Iraq have deepened the alienation, says Guillaume Parmentier, director of the French Center on the United States at the Institute of International Relations in Paris. ''Bush's language is simplistic, his ideas are unsophisticated.'' French observers say the rift is worsened by the different styles of two headstrong men: Bush and President Jacques Chirac. The first leads the world's sole superpower. The second wields diminishing influence over major world decisions, as France is increasingly absorbed into Europe.

''To French people, it seems like Bush is just imposing the law of the richest and most powerful,'' says Stephane Rozes, director of the Paris-based polling organization CSA TMO, which tracks French opinion about the USA.

The French president is leading Europe in the battle against any immediate military action against Iraq. France, with Germany and Russia, prefers to increase the number of U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq and give them more time to work. France also joined Germany and Belgium this week in an effort to block NATO (news - web sites) military protection for Turkey in advance of a possible war. Chirac has said he believes offering protection to a fellow NATO member would be tantamount to conceding there will be be a war in Iraq.

At 70, Chirac is Europe's elder statesman. He's a generation older than British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites), German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites). Esconsed in the 300-year-old Élysée Palace, the French leader reminds Europeans of their old values.

The political stands he has taken over Iraq reflect the French desire for independence, if not dominance, in Europe. That could be lost as borders blur within the European Union (news - web sites) and U.S. culture permeates the continent. A high school teacher voiced a common French opinion this week.

''I don't like Chirac,'' said Patrick Marzin, 30, who was eating lunch at a café in Paris, ''but he's behaving in this way because France has beautiful and honorable ideals. The U.S. acts only for money.''

Ironically, Chirac is perhaps the most pro-American president in French history. Almost every biography mentions Chirac's youthful summer adventures in the USA, where he had an American girlfriend and worked at a soda fountain. The French president was the first foreign leader to visit New York City after the Sept. 11 attacks.

In contrast, ''Bush barely ever visited France,'' says Bille, head of the advertising association. ''His administration doesn't know about Europe. The ambassador to Paris doesn't even speak French,'' he says, referring to Howard Leach, whom Bush appointed in 2001.

Recasting his image now will be tough, Bille says. He says the U.S. president could have capitalized on the sympathy after Sept. 11 by paying closer attention to European sensibilities.

''Bush could have changed his image before,'' Bille says. ''Now he'll have to wait a very long time before he can do it again.''


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KEYWORDS: antiwar; bush; french; iraq; oppostion; uglyamerican
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I recommended this article on Yahoo because I thought it accurately showed the French sentiment toward the US position. This really is a cultural divide between us the the frogs, not merely at the leadership level.

Regarding the specifics of their dislikes:

* The environment. The United States has refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites) on global warming (news - web sites), which France supports.

But France hasn't implemented.

* The death penalty. Bush was first known here as the governor of Texas, a state noted for its use of the death penalty. France outlawed capital punishment in the 1970s.

Why do they care what our laws are? Haven't they heard of sovereignity?

* The International Criminal Court. The Bush administration has criticized plans for the new body and demanded that U.S. military forces have immunity from prosecution.

See my previous comment.

* The increasing U.S. cultural invasion of Europe. ''The U.S. is everywhere here,'' says Philippe Moreau Defarges of the Institute of International Relations in Paris. ''We watch American movies. We eat at McDonald's. We've got EuroDisney.''

Um, isn't all this voluntary on France's and Europe's parts? Have we forced them at gun point to buy our movies and music. I don't think so.

1 posted on 02/15/2003 1:20:48 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
This is a nation that had as it's #1 selling book for weeks, an account of how we staged 9/11.

I don't really care what they think anymore.

2 posted on 02/15/2003 1:23:54 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Have they seen Hitlery Clinton, James Carville or Helen Thomas. Now THOSE are ugly Americans!
3 posted on 02/15/2003 1:25:02 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Americans see French as Smelly Europeans
4 posted on 02/15/2003 1:26:14 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (We've got, you know, armadillos in our trousers. I mean, it's really quite frightening.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Yeah....so?
5 posted on 02/15/2003 1:28:22 PM PST by keithtoo
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
With their teeth the French see Bush as ugly!?
6 posted on 02/15/2003 1:31:13 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
This just shows the French are hopeless idiots when it comes to understanding the world. Why don't they try understanding us for once. All we want to do is live in peace but the #$%@ terrorists came after us. We can't give the terrorists sanctuary in Iraq or anywhere else.
7 posted on 02/15/2003 1:32:35 PM PST by MarkM
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
''I don't like Chirac,'' said Patrick Marzin, 30, who was eating lunch at a café in Paris, ''but he's behaving in this way because France has beautiful and honorable ideals. The U.S. acts only for money.''

Ahem...just one word:

Vichy

8 posted on 02/15/2003 1:33:19 PM PST by MarineDad
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To: Dog Gone
''Bush could have changed his image before,'' Bille says. ''Now he'll have to wait a very long time before he can do it again.''


Note to europeans, it will be a cold day in hell before that happens, you must have GW confused with your impeached friend.
9 posted on 02/15/2003 1:33:38 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Hey Frenchie, talk to me about Rwanda.
10 posted on 02/15/2003 1:35:07 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Bush's statements about Iraq have deepened the alienation, says Guillaume Parmentier, director of the French Center on the United States at the Institute of International Relations in Paris. ''Bush's language is simplistic, his ideas are unsophisticated.'' French observers say the rift is worsened by the different styles of two headstrong men: Bush and President Jacques Chirac. The first leads the world's sole superpower. The second wields diminishing influence over major world decisions, as France is increasingly absorbed into Europe.

Note, apparently sophistication is more important than truth.

11 posted on 02/15/2003 1:37:37 PM PST by monocle
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
There are so many things that got my blood boiling that it is clear the cultural divide between France and the US may never ever be bridged again.

First, the French for all their self-proclaimed sophistication keep insisting that Americans act and think exactly like they do. They call us simplistic, yet after 200 years they continue to close their eyes to the real American psyche... which George Bush reflects FAR FAR better than any Chirac clone ever could. Instead of trying to deal with us as we are, they insist that we become weak-kneed, continential philosophers instead. That is not, and has never been America. We are blunt, direct and honest. They hate us for that.

Second, the French decry our "dominance" of world affairs, then simultaneously try to ram through changes in the EU Constitution to ensure that THEY, along with butt-kissing junior partner Germany, DOMINATE Europe and the EU. They are trying to freeze out all the "other" countries of Europe, whose role in life, the French unabashedly believe, is simply to do France's bidding in foreign affairs and business development. France's dominance of Europe is fine; America's dominance is imperialism.

Third, the French decry the US because according to them we only care about money and oil. The French have the largest oil contracts with Saddam and formed the Airbus consortium with other European partners SPECIFICALLY to hurt Boeing and make some money for themselves, but it is only OUR focus on money. What they really cant stand is that it is OUR POPULAR CULTURE, our computers, our technology and consumer goods that are selling worldwide not theirs. The Franchman quoted bemoans that US products are everywhere, mon dieu....

And lastly, what does it say about the French that one of their most popular news programs is a PUPPET SHOW where the populace splits its sides with laughter at a Stallone-like puppet mimicking Bush.

Oh well,,, from the same folks who deified Jerry Lewis and the Nutty Professor, I guess.
12 posted on 02/15/2003 1:39:09 PM PST by UncleSamUSA
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
''Bush could have changed his image before,'' Bille says. ''Now he'll have to wait a very long time before he can do it again.''

And you'll have to wait an even longer time before he even bothers to try. What you don't understand France, is we don't care. We no longer like you because you are not worthy. You can't even see the part you played in the Rwanda slaughters, what you have allowed to happen in the Ivory Coast, how you failed Algeria. We don't care about you because you are old. Not wise, not reviered, but old as in rotting, decadent, falling apart. While you rail against our "culture invasion" remember it is YOU who are buying those hamburgers and YOU who are paying to see those movies. Also remember that while you deplore our culture, yours is being stripped away from you by the immigrants who have invaded your country and made whole blocks of your city off limits to your own people. The police can't even go there.

13 posted on 02/15/2003 1:40:13 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: monocle
This is an old joke from the 1950s.

The french are a funny race.
They fight with their feet. run
and f*** with their face. talk
14 posted on 02/15/2003 1:44:01 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran
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To: UncleSamUSA
Here is my favorite quote from the article:

"77% of French adults oppose a war in Iraq, even if the U.N. Security Council gives its endorsement."

Repeat, 77% of Frenchmen oppose a war EVEN IF... EVEN IF the Security Council says OK.

That means that IF the UN passed a resolution approving war, 77% of Frenchmen would want France to specifically DEFY the UN and stay out anyway.

So much for the rule of law.
15 posted on 02/15/2003 1:44:48 PM PST by UncleSamUSA
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To: UncleSamUSA
Mind you, France BETTER NOT push it when it comes to angering the Americans.

You're forgetting Airbus Industrie needs forty percent of its parts from American companies. If the American companies announce they would no longer do business with Airbus the Airbus final assembly lines in Toulouse, France and Hamburg, Germany would come to a screeching halt in less than a week. Such an act would be an economic disaster for the French and Germans in NO time. :-)

17 posted on 02/15/2003 1:47:48 PM PST by RayChuang88 (You asked for it)
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To: zvkrivkvkk
What in the name of Zeus' butthole...?!
18 posted on 02/15/2003 1:49:11 PM PST by RichInOC (That's nasty.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I do not care about the French
I do not care about their stench
I see them eating smelly cheese
Saying "I give up, don't hurt me, please!"
If they would just go away
That would really make my day
And when we finally free Iran
(Like we did Afghanistan)
Tell those freed from Saddam's rage
French business built their jailor's cage
If froggy oil deals Iran ignores
And gives to those on other shores
The US thinks that those we freed
Can conduct business with whom they please
And if that don't include the French
Well, that's a perfect consequence
Of cowardice and arrogence.
19 posted on 02/15/2003 1:50:17 PM PST by justanotherfreeper (Writing really bad poetry since 1999)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Remember the line from a song from My Fair Lady "the French don't care what they say as long as they say it properly".
20 posted on 02/15/2003 1:52:21 PM PST by monocle
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