[jsraggmann]

You mentioned Waco. Do you consider the incineration of over 80 Americans(many women and children) to be "open reasoned debate"?

[MineralMan]

"You mentioned Waco. Do you consider the incineration of over 80 Americans(many women and children) to be "open reasoned debate"?
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I wonder what Waco has to do with a discussion of Universal Service? Why do you bring it up. None of those debating that issue here were there. None had anything to do with what happened there. Indeed, Waco has nothing to do with the question of Universal Service, a bill introduced in the Senate in 2001 by Republicans and in 2003 by Democrats. Even GW Bush appears to be in favor of such a thing.

Where does Waco come into the discussion?

[templar]

Do you consider the incineration of over 80 Americans(many women and children) to be "open reasoned debate"?

No, I didn;t mean to imply that at all. But it is an example of what happens when you decide to take a militant stance against an infinitly more powerful authority. Koresh was a fool, he could have won if he had changed tactics instead of trying to wait out a siege. Look at the way Randy Weaver ended up handling his siege. He surrendered to an overwhelming force instead of trying to stand them off till they gave up. Then he beat them in court and was found innocent. Then he beat them again in a Civil suit. In short, Randy Weaver took on a force that was infinitely more powerful tham himself and ended up winning, but not by violently defeating them.