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Looming Iraq War Divides U.S. Vets
www.worldnetdaily ^ | February 13, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 02/13/2003 3:56:51 AM PST by joesnuffy

EYE ON THE GULF Looming Iraq war divides U.S. vets Group issues veiled call for GIs to refuse call-up

Posted: February 13, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Diana Lynne © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

As a second war looms in Iraq, some veterans from the Persian Gulf and earlier wars are offering themselves up as "human shields" for Iraqis and urging GIs to "follow your conscience" in obeying the Pentagon call-up in hopes of averting the conflict altogether.

A coalition of anti-war veterans organizations called Vets Call to Conscience, or VCC, has mounted a campaign to reach out to active-duty troops and reservists to let them know they have a choice when they receive deployment orders for the Gulf and to think long and hard before making that choice.

"Thirty-thousand Gulf War vets are now dead," organizer Terri Allred told WorldNetDaily. "These guys being called up now are in a real difficult position, but they do have choices. They have to know that people will support them and give them courage to resist."

Because it's against federal law to encourage a member of the Armed Services to disobey deployment orders,VCC is treading very lightly on the issue. In a carefully worded statement posted on its website, the group avoids actually telling GIs to declare themselves conscientious objectors.

"When orders come to ship out, your response will profoundly impact the lives of millions of people in the Middle East and here at home. Your response will help set the course of our future. You will have choices all along the way," reads the statement. "We urge you to think. We urge you to make your choices based on your conscience. If you choose to resist, we will support you and stand with you because we have come to understand that our real duty is to the people of the world and to our common future. "

Allred told WorldNetDaily the statement, written by two veterans of the Gulf War and one from the Vietnam War, has been translated into several languages and passed around all over the world. More than 550 veterans have added their signatures to the statement since it was posted early last month. Allred said 20 percent of the signatories are Gulf War veterans, 45 percent are Vietnam Veterans, 15 percent are World War II veterans and there are quite a number from the Korean era.

The website links to a list of the early signers. It also provides links to a "GI rights" hotline and contact information for churches offering themselves as sanctuaries to conscientious objectors.

"We are veterans of the United States armed forces," begins the VCC statement. "We span many wars and eras, have many political views and we all agree that this war is wrong. Many of us believed serving in the military was our duty, and our job was to defend this country. Our experiences in the military caused us to question much of what we were taught. Now we see our real duty is to encourage you as members of the U.S. armed forces to find out what you are being sent to fight and die for and what the consequences of your actions will be for humanity. We call upon you, the active duty and reservists, to follow your conscience and do the right thing," the statement continues.

"I'm fully supportive of it because this is a horrible massacre that the U.S. is getting into here," Vietnam veteran Joe Urgo told WorldNetDaily. "This is an enormously difficult choice for kids who went in thinking they'd get a free education. We're trying to use our experience to help them."

Urgo, himself, signed up for the Air Force at the age of 18 to get an education and "make something" for himself. He was drafted into Vietnam in 1968 at the age of 20, where he served one year as a security policeman. Urgo said he knew nothing about the war or the politics behind it when he was drafted. After his base was attacked and several of his friends died during the Tet Offensive, he came to oppose the war.

Back in the U.S., Urgo discovered tens of thousands of likeminded veterans and became one of the organizers of the veterans movement in the 1970s. He is currently a member of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist, which is participating in a mass anti-war protest slated for Saturday in New York City. The group originally planned to march past the headquarters of the United Nations, but the city refused permitting.

The VCC statement describes the experience of veterans like Urgo:

"We were ordered to destroy Vietnam from the air and on the ground. At My Lai we massacred over 500 women, children and old men. This was not an aberration, it's how we fought the war. We used Agent Orange on the enemy and then experienced first hand its effects. We know what Post Traumatic Stress Disorder looks, feels and tastes like because the ghosts of over 2 million men, women and children still haunt our dreams. More of us took our own lives after returning home than died in battle."

Urgo predicts a second war in Iraq would eclipse the "atrocities" of Vietnam.

"This is not a people's war. ... It's going to be a massive slaughter from the air. There's going to be 300 to 400 cruise missiles a day for two days and they're going to completely obliterate the cities."

The VCC statement offers a description of veterans' Gulf War experiences:

"As troops, we were ordered to murder from a safe distance. We destroyed much of Iraq from the air, killing hundreds of thousands, including civilians. We remember the road to Basra – the Highway of Death – where we were ordered to kill fleeing Iraqis. We bulldozed trenches, burying people alive. The use of depleted uranium weapons left the battlefields radioactive. Massive use of pesticides, experimental drugs, burning chemical weapons depots and oil fires combined to create a toxic cocktail affecting both the Iraqi people and Gulf War veterans today. One in four Gulf War veterans is disabled."

WorldNetDaily has reported that nearly two of every five of the approximately 540,000 Gulf War vets are on disability as a result of illnesses they believe they sustained during that conflict. About 161,000 Gulf War veterans are receiving disability payments from the U.S. government. About 209,000 have filed VA claims.

But more than 5,000 veterans blame Iraq for their suffering, and have sued companies accused of helping Iraqi President Saddam Hussein build his chemical warfare arsenal. The suit seeks at least $1 billion in damages for medical expenses, lost wages, pain and suffering.

'Human shields'

One former Marine renounced his citizenship after his experience in the Gulf War.

"The U.S. conducted human experiments on me and 600,000 others in the Gulf War by its forced injection and ingestion of pyridostigmine bromide pills and anthrax and botulinum toxoid vaccines, which had not been approved for use on uninformed and non-consenting humans," said Ken Nichols O'Keefe.

O'Keefe has gained media attention for his effort to lead a convoy of volunteers traveling in a double-decker bus across Europe to serve as "human shields" in Iraq. O'Keefe claims to have recruited some 500 anti-war activists who are prepared to risk being maimed or killed in their efforts to stop the war.

Convoy of "human shields" departs London Jan. 25.

The group, called TJP Human Shield Action, announced at a press conference in Ankara, Turkey, Tuesday that about 50 members were granted entry visas for Iraq. O'Keefe, himself, was detained by authorities after presenting them with "World Citizen" documents in lieu of a passport. The organization offers these documents on its website. A statement on the site claims O'Keefe "has resolved any issues concerning his freedom to travel" and is now "waiting for repairs to be completed to the bus to complete the journey to Iraq."

"The vast majority of people on this planet oppose this war," O'Keefe asserted recently on the BBC's "HARDtalk" program. "The United States intends to carry out this war because they need to dominate the world by controlling its oil reserves."

O'Keefe said he doesn't trust the U.N., which he said has "dishonored itself" and calls President George W. Bush a "nasty tyrant."

"The fact is, George W. Bush has said if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists. Well I'll tell you what, I am not with George W. Bush," O'Keefe told Fox News. "I'm going down there to stand with people who are being threatened with bombing and if that makes me an enemy combatant, and that's the way America wants to conduct itself, then shame on you."

O'Keefe's idea of "human shields" likely came from Saddam Hussein, who took American oil workers hostage in Kuwait in 1990 and used them as human shields.

"Jack and others went through a nightmare. And to think that Americans would do this is absolutely shocking to him," Deanna Frazier, wife of former Iraq hostage Jack Frazier, told Fox News.

Frazier described how her husband was held for nearly four months with no food, water or the medication he needed to control his diabetes.

"He lost sight in one eye while he was there and he deteriorated since. Saddam didn't kill him, but he gave him a death sentence while he was there and he's been dying ever since he left the country," she said.

God and country

But while the anti-war veterans' message may be potent, their numbers pale in comparison to the largest voice for veterans, the American Legion, which has declared its support for Commander in Chief Bush's war on terrorism.

Founded by World War I veterans gathered in Paris in 1919, the group currently represents 2.8 million members.

Spokesman Steve Thomas told WND that although the organization had a few bones to pick with the administration, including the need to improve health care for veterans and increase funding for veterans' affairs, the legion supports the administration's stance on Iraq.

In August, delegates to the national convention in Charlotte, N.C., passed a resolution supporting the president's war on terrorism.

"All Americans must pull together to show the world that no person, no group, or no country can overcome the will and determination of the American people," the resolution states, "Be it resolved that ... the American Legion go on record commending the president for his steadfastness in pursuing the terrorist enemies of the United States in the war on terrorism."

"Our support for the administration in the war on terrorism presupposes that efforts to disarm Iraq without the use of force are undertaken before our nation sends in the troops," Thomas told WND. "Clearly, that is the case, as the administration shows the evidence of Iraq's violations to the world community, demonstrates in this post-Sept. 11 era that disarming Iraq is in our national interest, and builds the support of Congress and the American people."

When asked to respond to the activities of the anti-war veterans Thomas said, "The same Constitution that gives people the right to protest the war on terrorism, gives the American Legion and other groups the right to support the war on terrorism."

Former Marine Corps infantry officer Richard Botkin wrote in a recent WND column that the "warriors" who will stand on the front lines when hostilities begin don't want war any more than the "peace-at-any-price crowd."

"America will win this war against evil. Complete victory this time is the only option," Botkin predicts.

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1 posted on 02/13/2003 3:56:52 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy
we have come to understand that our real duty is to the people of the world and to our common future. "

In other words, they are converts to the cause of world socialism. Eff 'em.

2 posted on 02/13/2003 4:08:09 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
The initials VCC are especially endearing to us Vietnam Vets. Buck them Fastards!

Nam Vet

3 posted on 02/13/2003 4:14:20 AM PST by Nam Vet (Rooting for 'Big Al Sharpton', Savior of the Dims. (America's Mugabe?))
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To: joesnuffy
I have mixed feelings about a war also and I think I can understand both sides of which I realize I may not. War is hell but fear is much worse. I have never seen combat but I have seen and know fear.
My father served in the second world war while I was a baby. My mom was left to fend for us and she did alright and we never had any regrets. I was drafted into the Army in 1962 and did not want to go but I felt an obligation to my country and to my father who would have disowned me had I not gone and to this day I am proud,happy and fully believe it made me into a man and showed me how to accept responsibility.
I have a son who spent 8 years in the Navy. I say this to only show that I feel I and my family have answered when called upon.
I say this to one and all and you can make up your own mind. America has never faced the likes of Bin Laden and Sadaam. We have never been attacked like we were on Sept 11.
But this I know, my grandchildren will never know the peace and comfort I and my children have known and fear is much worse than death because it is never ending when you allow yourself to be controlled by it and that is what these people play on and it behooves every American to stand up to this cowards.
America stood up to Hitler and see what happened.When people hide behind their masks or other people they are cowards.
I say this, I dont want to die but I want my grandchildren and their children to have the peace and comfort I have. I am not combat ready and in no shape to fight but I damn well am prepared to give my life for those who have not had the chance to expierence what I have in these 64 years.
And very few have been screwed anymore by the system recently than myself but I have still lived and the good still dwarfs the bad I have seen.
4 posted on 02/13/2003 4:14:20 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: joesnuffy
TARGET NUMBER ONE
5 posted on 02/13/2003 4:24:36 AM PST by chachacha
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To: Nam Vet
"Buck them Fastards!"

You got that right Brother!
7 posted on 02/16/2003 10:05:17 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: joesnuffy
"Thirty-thousand Gulf War vets are now dead," organizer Terri Allred told WorldNetDaily.

30,000 Gulf War vets are now dead? That doesn't seem statistically plausible. Can anyone confirm that figure is true, or not?

8 posted on 02/16/2003 10:12:48 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: xin loi; Nam Vet; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; All
Word to the wise: WHENEVER a "vet" does something like this (Incitement to desert), it is always a good idea to make a check of his records. Chances are, his discharge was not on the "honorable" side. Some of them turn out to have not served at all, or not in the theaters/billets claimed.

I don't know HOW they can "tread lightly" about the central issue...they are guilty of Incitement to Mutiny and Desertion, solidly.

This is one reason why I question their true service so early. A true vet knows that modern military men are all VOLUNTEERS. Thus, no one is being asked to do something they did not expect OR plan for. These fools act like we're all STILL draftees, or tricked somehow into the Service. Somewhat, in fact, like the patronizing Leftists who act like we're all just hopelessly retarded idiots, needing their care and concern (until, that is, they're spitting on us).

9 posted on 02/16/2003 10:16:24 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: Azzurri
30,000 Gulf War vets are now dead? That doesn't seem statistically plausible. Can anyone confirm that figure is true, or not?

There were deaths during the first Gulf War .. but I don't recall the numbers to be anywhere near that

10 posted on 02/16/2003 10:20:24 PM PST by Mo1 (25 + inches of snow? ..... Where the heck is that Global Warming they promised us?)
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To: Mo1
"There were deaths during the first Gulf War .. but I don't recall the numbers to be anywhere near that.

I saw the number 148 posted last night. Most armed forces personnel die due to automobile accidents. The armed forces deaths (overall) were less during the Gulf War than during peace time.

11 posted on 02/16/2003 10:25:29 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
That sounds like a closer number

If I recall, yes there were accident deaths, then there was that friendly fire were they couldn't tell who's tanks were who's and also there was a scud missile that hit a barracks and I think 28 people were killed then
12 posted on 02/16/2003 10:43:05 PM PST by Mo1 (25 + inches of snow? ..... Where the heck is that Global Warming they promised us?)
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To: Mo1
The hugher number of deaths that this ass clown cites seems to me to be the number of deaths they attribute to other causes not necessarily fron the Gulf War (reactions to vaccines, reports of biohazard/chemical fires in Iraq set by retreating Republican Guard). They have a shrill female (one Joyce RILEY, I think is her name) who gets on the media and whines all night long.

These "VETS" have indeed swamped the VA with their claims. Many get turned down and some are into their tenth appeal to get on the dole. They have buried the DVA for years to come with this, and then they complain to Congress that they are being ignored.

13 posted on 02/16/2003 11:02:03 PM PST by tenthirteen
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To: Mo1
Rush Limbaugh has said more than once that there was NOT ONE COMBAT DEATH in the Gulf War. The anti-America protestors are spreading this rumor that 30,000 have died since - we are supposed to assume from some chem/bio exposure. If that many had died wouldn't some of us know them or know of them? Consider the source.
14 posted on 02/16/2003 11:05:59 PM PST by Let's Roll (Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee; harpseal; txradioguy; JRandomFreeper; OneLoyalAmerican; Texasforever; ...
PING!!!!!!!!

These idiots never learn, do they? The very people they're trying to influence laugh our collective a$$es off at crap like this.

Oh, well, they might convince a few malcontents and dirtbags to jump ship...which is good; it weeds them out and identifies them.

15 posted on 02/16/2003 11:13:22 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: joesnuffy; sneakypete; harpseal; Squantos; CIBvet; SLB; B4Ranch; river rat
"We were ordered to destroy Vietnam from the air and on the ground. At My Lai we massacred over 500 women, children and old men. This was not an aberration, it's how we fought the war.

F-ing liar.

17 posted on 02/17/2003 8:11:22 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: hellinahandcart
I'm for the war but I do remember the VA initially turning down the vets who came back sick from the Gulf War.WorldNetDaily has reported that nearly two of every five of the approximately 540,000 Gulf War vets are on disability as a result of illnesses they believe they sustained during that conflict. About 161,000 Gulf War veterans are receiving disability payments from the U.S. government. About 209,000 have filed VA claims.

This is the one thing that I am concerned about. If our VA will not treat and take care of our soldiers then we need another idea and it better be one that cares more about the soldier than AIDS in Africa.

18 posted on 02/17/2003 8:29:56 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Mo1; freedomworks
Greetings Mo1, freedomworks, FReepers, et al:

You are right to question this misinformation nonsense. So what if 1+1=3? Outcome based education breeds liberals. And the best part of being liberal, you never have to accept responsibility for PFA numbers.

Based statistically upon the fabricated death numbers, 90+ people from my unit would be dead right now. To date, only one person in my unit died of Gulf War syndrome. This Mycoplasma cross between bacterial and virus theory is consistent; given the foul personal hygiene conditions of middle eastern culture. For example, use your left hand, in lieu of toilet paper, and your toilet is the shower floor drain.

At this point, the DU exposure argument rings of more Socialist misinformation nonsense than truth. And excessive use of a "Caps Lock" key, (SHOUTING) is quite annoying.

19 posted on 02/17/2003 8:31:12 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Will pacifists still believe Iraq is WMD free after viewing a radioactive mushroom cloud?)
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To: freedomworks
Thanks for the links. Just hope people realize that bio-chemicals are deadly and worse than a bullet.
20 posted on 02/17/2003 8:41:55 AM PST by B4Ranch
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