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Consul blasts migrant bills (Arizona)
Tucson Citizen (Arizona Republic) ^ | Feb. 12, 2003 | DANIEL GONZÁLEZ

Posted on 02/12/2003 6:53:39 AM PST by madfly

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:37:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Breaking away from the usual etiquette of international diplomacy, the Mexican consul general of Phoenix yesterday condemned proposed state laws aimed at clamping down on undocumented immigrants.

Expressing doubts the anti-immigration bills will pass, Ruben Beltran said the proposals are dividing a state where the Latino population is booming.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizonalegis; consularids; immigration; randygraf
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Beltran emphasized that he respects the state's internal political process.

He equivocates Federal Immigration Law to state politics. I think he needs to re-read his job description.

1 posted on 02/12/2003 6:53:40 AM PST by madfly
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To: Free the USA; B4Ranch; FITZ; Tancredo Fan; Fish out of Water; seamole; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; ...
ping
2 posted on 02/12/2003 6:54:36 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
We should start offering a fifty dollar bounty on the pelt of any illegal immigrant.
3 posted on 02/12/2003 6:57:30 AM PST by exnavy
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To: madfly
I am SO freaking sick of

"The bills also ignore immigrants' contributions to the economy..."

The only thing illegals contribute to, aside from squalor and noise, is the size of various local government and NGOs set up to maintain their comfort level.

4 posted on 02/12/2003 7:08:19 AM PST by norton
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To: madfly
Beltran emphasized that he respects the state's internal political process.

Sure he does, that's why Mexico keeps taking the US to the World Court when they don't agree with our laws.

5 posted on 02/12/2003 7:15:44 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: madfly
Randy Graf is short in stature, but he stands tall in perseverance and integrity.
6 posted on 02/12/2003 7:34:44 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: madfly; Free the USA; B4Ranch; FITZ; Tancredo Fan; Fish out of Water; seamole; Ajnin; agitator; ...
1. This feller needs to be immediately relocated Persona Non Grata to mexico;

2. Criminal-Alien "contribution" of "latino" culture and language?

Even FOR LEGAL IMMIGRANTS:

"We have certain standards of life that we believe are best for us. We do not ask other nations to discard theirs, but we do wish to preserve ours. Standards, government and culture under our free institutions are not so much a matter of constitutions and laws as of public opinion, ways of thought and methods of life of the people. We reflect on no one in wanting immigrants who will be assimilated into our ways of thinking and living. Believing we can best serve the world in that way, we restrict immigration."

Calvin Coolidge December 13 1930

BORDERS!
LANGUAGE!
CULTURE!


SAVAGE!

7 posted on 02/12/2003 7:39:16 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: madfly
We better straighten ourselves out or Mexico will stop sending us their 'free-loaders'.

>sarcasm<

8 posted on 02/12/2003 7:40:27 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: madfly
First stop the Reconquista then roll it back leaving a safe 100 mile buffer zone devoid of people.
9 posted on 02/12/2003 7:55:50 AM PST by junta
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Nothing illustrates the fact that Official Mexican Government Policy is to innundate the US with their displaced campesinos.

For that is exactly what illegal immigrants from Mexico are. The population of our Third World neighbor has grown so large that it is unsupportable, especially with the consolidation of agricultural businesses.

In the meantime, Republican "thinkers" among others, think the Tide from the South is going to 1.)Save Social Security 2.)Give us the population growth they think we need to sustain economic growth, and 3.) Give us "family oriented" future Americans who will vote Republican, and thus counterbalance those native groups that automatically vote Democrat. Although each of these points is really quite problematical*, to say the least, this is why the obnoxious tide from Mexico is winked at, and allowed to continue, despite the law to the contrary.

I say put it to a vote. If the above is what a majority wants, so be it. Until then, I pray that George W. Bush emulates Christ after His trip to Jerusalem. He should get off his ass and straighten out the problem with strong leadership.

* each point is compounded of equal parts economic horsemanure and wishful thinking. The Border Bounders cost us money, as the Border States are finding out. ($8Billion in Ca, $1Billion in NM, God knows how much in TX.) The only country they make money for is Mexico. The taxes they pay are a drop in the bucket vs. what it costs to feed, clothe, house, educate them, and give them healthcare. Sure, waves of illegals join the ranks of the workers, but then, as the California experience shows, many of them also tend to go down the path of illegitimate births, welfare dependency, and are knee-jerk Democrats who give the Democrat Party hundreds of thousands of illegal votes across the country. It will be a cold day in Cancún before the Mexicans become the devoted Republicans of Karl Rove's Dream. Legal Hispanic immigration will turn the US into an Hispanic Nation anyway. What's the goddam rush?

10 posted on 02/12/2003 7:58:28 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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Nothing BETTER illustrates the fact that Official Mexican Government Policy is to innundate the US with their displaced campesinos.
11 posted on 02/12/2003 8:02:59 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: madfly
Breaking away from the usual etiquette of international diplomacy, the Mexican consul general of Phoenix yesterday condemned proposed state laws aimed at clamping down on undocumented immigrants.

tough tacos.

Sooner or later these idiots will realize that the US decides the policies, not Mexico, despite their sick delusions that they think this is AZTLAN.

12 posted on 02/12/2003 8:23:05 AM PST by kstewskis ("Aim small, miss small"......Benjamin Martin to Nathan and Samuel)
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To: Kenny Bunk
When are illegal aliens paid for their illegal activities with a check instead of cash under the table?

All aliens lawfully in this country already have a legitimate form of identification issued by their government (passport or cedula) or ours (visa in their passport, border crossing card or green card).

Has any one asked if "matriculas consulares" issued to illegals by the Mexican consulates in the US are accepted as a valid form of identification in Mexico itself? I think not. Every Mexican of voting age has a "cedula de identification personal" issued by competent authorites and entered into a database with a unique serial number. Not so for "matricula consulares". "Matriculas" are issued by consular offices upon application and payment of $29 fee. Good for five years. There is nothing to stop anyone getting multiple "matriculas" in any name from any of the consulates. There is no crosschecking against existing databases in Mexico.

13 posted on 02/12/2003 8:24:30 AM PST by Procyon
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To: exnavy
At one time in some states the ears off "coyotes" would be turned in for the state bounty and the pelts could be sold on the open market by the hunter to make better pay for himself and help the states save money.

Now then,what are those guys called that get paid to "guide" the illegals into our country?

14 posted on 02/12/2003 8:29:23 AM PST by Free Trapper
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To: Free Trapper
I think I get your drift, let's get started!
15 posted on 02/12/2003 8:33:14 AM PST by exnavy
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To: madfly
Lat night I caught the end of Hannity and the Liberal. They had some guy on there. Trying to Stop Local Police from assisting the INS n so forth... When Sean asked him "isn't it already against the Law to be Illegal?" The man replied, well its against Federal law, not state law.

It is the Liberal Left trying to Justify once again Breaking the Law. Apparently now they advocate that Federal law is a pretend law and doesn't need to be followed?

16 posted on 02/12/2003 8:35:30 AM PST by Japedo (Live Free or Die Trying)
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To: madfly
Our government gives a wink and a nod to illegal lawbreakers. If we would refuse to pay the price via increased taxation, we would go to jail. Something stinks, and it's in the White House and Congress.
17 posted on 02/12/2003 9:00:10 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: Kenny Bunk
I say put it to a vote. If the above is what a majority wants, so be it.

That will never happen because the vast majority of people would never support what's going on at the polls and the establishment knows it. So my guess is both political parties are going to continue shoving illegal immigration down our throats whether we like it or not.

The only way to put a stop to it will be through public protests, maybe a million man march into Washington.

18 posted on 02/12/2003 9:02:16 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: exnavy
You know,we use bounty hunters to catch bail jumpers,etc.

Putting the capture of illegals into the private sector could solve a lot of our problems and get the job done for a fraction of what it costs a Gov. agency.

As long as I can get the permits to be legal and make an honest dollar I'm willing to catch about anything.

19 posted on 02/12/2003 9:11:34 AM PST by Free Trapper
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To: Free Trapper
I really think that is a good idea.
20 posted on 02/12/2003 9:14:54 AM PST by exnavy
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