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ANTI-GUN ALERT FOR GA HB197 committe results
CSG ^ | 2/11/03 | Citizens for Safe Government e-mail alert

Posted on 02/11/2003 10:19:07 AM PST by from occupied ga

(Atlanta, Tuesday, February 11) -- Just like the famous Hollywood movie, yesterday was "A Bad Day at Black Rock" for state anti-gun ringleaders pushing the HB197 Stealth Triggerlock bill.

After cruising to an easy victory last Wednesday in her "stacked-deck" Family Law Subcommittee, anti-gun HB197 co-sponsor Rep. Mary Margaret Oliver (D-Decatur) expected smooth sailing through yesterday's hearing before the full House Judiciary Committee.

But things began to go terribly wrong for anti-gunners when state offices opened yesterday morning and phones started ringing in what was to become a steady stream of grass-roots pressure all day from gun owners across Georgia.

Last week in Ms. Oliver's subcommittee, special interests behind HB197 got an hour of floor time while gun owners only got five minutes. In a sign pressure from your phone calls was working, anti-gun Judiciary Chairman Tom Bordeaux (D-Savannah) yesterday directed each side to have 30 minutes of debate time, with HB197 sponsor Wendell Willard (R-Dunwoody) managing those behind HB197 and CSG Legislative Director Bill Phillips managing the opposition.

Rep. Brian Joyce (R-Lookout Mountain) led off the attack on HB197, testifying not only as a gun owner, but as a parent of 3 grown children. "We live on a mountain in North Georgia" he said. "My kids were always getting hurt--and I suspect that's true for kids in the city. After things I did when I was kid, I'm lucky to be alive. But I grew up with a love for freedom, and I wanted my kids to grow up the same way."

"If HB197 had been the law when I was raising my kids," the 6-term legislator said, "the left-wingers could have put me in prison--instead I'm here fighting for freedom."

The anti-gunners weren't prepared for your strong support of the Massey Self-Defense amendment to exempt gun owners who want to keep their guns unlocked so they're ready for self-defense.

In a committee room packed to overflowing, Rep. Warren Massey (R-Winder) said, "It's no secret that people right here in this room have repeatedly stated in public they want to take away our guns. My amendment would stop them from using this bill to start confiscating our guns."

Honorable mention goes to freshman Rep. Barry Fleming (R-Harlem) who stood out among committee members as strong pro-gun second to Rep. Massey.

After hard-hitting testimony by CSG lobbyist Ronnie Farr, Chairman Bordeaux, a slick lawyer, bore down trying to trap him with legal tricks. But it backfired, with Mr. Bordeaux looking like a prosecutor trying to browbeat a defendant for keeping their gun unlocked.

The NRA lobbyist showed up this time, admitting the NRA had no position on HB197 and refusing to endorse the Massy Self-Defense Amendment. The hearing further demonstrated the NRA is becoming marginalized, with unorganized gun owners led by CSG and Gun Owners of America leading the way protecting gun rights.

Encouraged by bold resistance by Rep. Joyce and the CSG lobbyists, cracks began to appear in the unified front of the Democrats.

Rep. Jim Stokes (D-Covington) said he thought so-called "child protection" laws now on the books were overly broad and he questioned the need for even worse ones. Rep. Able Mable Thomas (D-Atlanta) blasted country-club Republican Willard, saying the new law won't be used out where he lives, but against working people in inner city neighborhoods like the one she represents.

But anti-gunners fought back. Rep. Larry Walker tried to gut the Massey Self-Defense Amendment by suggesting the amendment itself be amended with vague language like the original bill so prosecutors could still prosecute gun owners. And freshman Rep. Roger Bruce (D-Atlanta) showed his colors by denouncing the idea that people even need guns.

After hours of testimony and debate, a worn down Chairman noted there were many committee members yet to speak, and the committee would adjourn until 2 pm Tuesday when it would resume debate and then hopefully vote on passing the bill.

A dejected Mary Margararet Oliver summed up a bad day for anti-gunners with a protest: "Mr. Chairman, the Massey amendment means we won't be able to prosecute ANYBODY for having an unlocked gun."

HB197 Summary:

After a bad day Monday, anti-gunners are regrouping overnight to come back Tuesday and muscle HB197 through the House Judiciary Committee. Monday's hearing brought out three main points:

  1. a) The scariest part of HB197 is a brand new so-called "endangerment" section where people can be arrested and convicted just for situations officials don't like, even if nobody is actually injured or hurt.

  2. b) HB197 is the result of 3 years of back room plotting by a network of so-called "child advocates" and metro-area prosecutors, who are paid and supported by government grants and/or your taxpayer dollars. No independent parents showed up in support of the bill.

  3. c) The Massey Self-Defense Amendment successfully exposed the hidden agenda behind HB197 as anti-gunners publicly admitted they want to jail people who keep their guns unlocked so they're ready for self-defense.

The anti-gunners are regrouping and will try to pass HB197 out of committee this afternoon after they resume deliberation starting at 2 pm. It's vital that you call again like you did yesterday. This time demand they stop stalling on the Massey Self-Defense Amendment and say you don't want it watered down with vague langauge like HB197. Keep the pressure on the politicians--it's working.

ACTION ITEMS

  1. 1. Contact the office of a member of the full House Judiciary Committee who represents a pro-gun district. If your own State Rep. isn't on this list, pick one at random. Leave a message telling them to quit stalling on the Massey Self-Defense Amendment and that you don't want it watered down.

  2. 2. Contact the office of a member of the full House Judiciary Committee who is NOT from a pro-gun district. If your own State Rep. isn't on this list, pick one at random. Leave a message telling them to quit stalling on the Massey Self-Defense Amendment and that you don't want it watered down:

  3. 3. E-mail or fax this alert to everybody you know.

-- Citizens for Safe Government, Inc. P.O. Box 813764 Smyrna, GA 30081 csg@arms.org


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: georgia; goa; guncontrol; hb197; nra
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For anyone who thought that this wasn't about guns look at sow Oliver's comments in red
1 posted on 02/11/2003 10:19:07 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
Lets see today Washington announced that the threat of terrorism is 100%
Washington further stated that the citizens of the USA are on your own and responsible for your own survival plan
They urged us to store food , water, etc
No mention of cash or weapons needed....
Also even though Hospitals, Malls, Schools are targets...just go on with your normal lives...
They refuse to tell us to get cash and arm ourselves...and go out in public armed...
Somebody ought to get their shitte together soon
2 posted on 02/11/2003 10:34:03 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Shooter 2.5
I would like your take on the NRA's refusal to support the Massey self defense amendment.
3 posted on 02/11/2003 10:36:15 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: dansangel; .45MAN
Ping (at your request)
4 posted on 02/11/2003 10:38:15 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: from occupied ga
Who the heck is still sending money to the NRA? Might as well donate to the Brady Bunch -- at the rate things are going at the NRA, those two groups should be merging any month now. It's way past time to drop this pathetic duck-hunting club off the list of pro-2A organizations.
5 posted on 02/11/2003 10:41:06 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: from occupied ga
Great report. Thank you and good luck GA gunners!
6 posted on 02/11/2003 10:42:44 AM PST by lodwick (The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Who the heck is still sending money to the NRA

Not me. I send to GOA JPFO and CSG. Ask Shooter 2.5, he is the NRA zealot around here.

7 posted on 02/11/2003 10:44:23 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: from occupied ga
"A dejected Mary Margararet Oliver summed up a bad day for anti-gunners with a protest: "Mr. Chairman, the Massey amendment means we won't be able to prosecute ANYBODY for having an unlocked gun."

That's the whole idea you retarded twit. What good is a locked gun in an emergency??

Should non-Georgia residents call in on this??
8 posted on 02/11/2003 10:48:10 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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To: from occupied ga
I'll give you mine. Them sons a bitches over their at NRA Headquarters want legislation passed like that, so they can fill my feaking mailbox with more of the "Sky is falling" propaganda, always rounded off with a plea for deperately needed funds to fight this.

I'll guarentee this Legislation will be printed somewhere in their Propaganda to garnish more donations.

In the meantime the build a multimillion dollar HQ, Overpay their Execs. and allow their buddies to cash in on their NRA Ties with contracts, etc.

LaPeirre can go shag a goat!

9 posted on 02/11/2003 10:53:42 AM PST by Area51
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To: from occupied ga
I don't get my news of the NRA from the GOA.
10 posted on 02/11/2003 10:54:40 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: ZULU
Should non-Georgia residents call in on this??

In all honesty, probably not unless you have a friend in GA whose address and phone number you can use as contact info.

11 posted on 02/11/2003 10:55:58 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I don't get my news of the NRA from the GOA.

You think they're lying?

12 posted on 02/11/2003 10:57:25 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: from occupied ga
Oh, gee. You don't think the GOA is trying to put themselves in a better light than the NRA?

I'll start paying attention to the GOA when they can tell me what they do instead of worrying about the NRA.

Fact: The official stance of the NRA is they are against mandatory safety systems whether it's safes or trigger locks.
13 posted on 02/11/2003 11:13:20 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Area51
The phrase "cheese eating surrender monkeys" comes to mind. I wonder what sort of fromage the cafeteria at the NRA headquarters serves?
14 posted on 02/11/2003 11:14:23 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Shooter 2.5
How does that reconcile with the fact that they have "no position" on proposed legislation requiring people to keep their guns locked up? What they say in their propaganda materials to members and prospective members matters a good deal less than what they say (or fail to say) in courts and legislatures.
15 posted on 02/11/2003 11:19:56 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: from occupied ga; All
The GOA lying? It wouldn't be the first time. Here's Alan Gottlieb's fron the Citizen's Committee letter back to Larry Pratt after the same tactic was used:

http://www.saf.org/Prattresponse.htm

Looks like Larry Pratt doesn't know how to play well with others.
16 posted on 02/11/2003 11:21:29 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
You don't think the GOA is trying to put themselves in a better light than the NRA?

Of course they are. And quite successfully too.

I'll start paying attention to the GOA when they can tell me what they do instead of worrying about the NRA.

I guess you missed the action item list at the bottom of the alert huh? I guess you missed the fact that this e-mail alert came from CSG (GOA affiliate).

The official stance of the NRA is they are against mandatory safety systems whether it's safes or trigger locks.

Then it's time they started practicing what they preach. The thing that turned me against the NRA was they said one thing officially to their members and turned around and did something quite different when it comes to legislate stuff. Still doing it near as I can tell.

You don't want to admit it, but I guarantee if the NRA had said that they would support the Massey amendment and were against HB197 it would have helped kill this mess. I suspect that the fix is in, and the NRA is going to sit this one out. Of course if it's defeated they'll be there to take the credit with their members.

17 posted on 02/11/2003 11:21:34 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Like I told you. I don't get my NRA news from the GOA. If you want to quit the NRA, quit. If you don't want to join, don't.

If every single member of the NRA would quit, I couldn't care less. Just take up the fight after they're gone and quit whining like little children when things don't go your way.
18 posted on 02/11/2003 11:25:18 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
The GOA lying?

First this isn't GOA, it's an affiliate, CSG. Second, I don't think that they're lying in this instance, although it wouldn't surprise me to catch any of them lying.

Either way it's bad for pro gun forces.

If CSG is lying not only are they misinforming me and everyone on their alert list, but the're taking a heck of a chance that it will get out since there were a number of people at the hearing, and I talked to a couple of them last night and they essentially confirmed what was said

If they're not lying then it does show the NRA is a bad light; pulling their usual Neville Chamberlian move.

19 posted on 02/11/2003 11:27:32 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Shooter 2.5
If you read through the responses to that letter, it appears that the NRA also opposed the bills in question.
20 posted on 02/11/2003 11:29:48 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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