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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
To: DoughtyOne

There were two EVA suits onboard. I have read that there is a disagreement as to whether an EVA could have been performed through the hatch in the tunnel
leading to the SpaceHab. Maybe it could.

You're asking questions.  I like that.  There are no stupid questions.  Well, okay there are "some" stupid questions.  I dont' think yours are.  The crew had to be able to access the payload bay.  The payload bay doors sometimes hava a problem closing.  The crew MUST be able to facilitate this function manually if needed.  I don't pretend to propose the crew could have inspected the underside of the wing.  We are now hearing the leading edge was jagged, and that could have been viewed IMO.  I addressed that process a number of responses before this one.

Docking with the ISS is sometimes prevented by non-similar orbits.  I'd be surprised if this isn't a problem most of the time.  Out of 360 degrees, I'd be surprised if the shuttle were to be within 20 degrees plus or minus most of the time, on non-docking missions.  I believe that it may be true that the shuttle seldom achieves an orbit much more than 90 degrees off that of the space station.  That being said, non-similar trajectory is still a problem.  Then there's the issue of Columbia being too heavy to reach the ISS.  I believe that to be the case.  But then that could have been a reason to retire it, if it weren't for the problem of non-similar trajectory which would make that problem mute.

I think it's reasonable to mention limiting crew size.  I just don't think it's the right idea.  Losing 4 vs 7 is a no-win fix in my mind.  Fix the problem.  Lauch as many crew as you need or want to.

I'm not convinced a high-speed computer could check the film in real time, with enough precision to make a go/no-go decision.  I may be wrong.  It would detect and highlight certain frames.  If those frames were judged by a NASA tech to be a problem, you could no-go space entry.  That is an iffy proposition.  Even after two weeks the conclusion regarding the problem the insullation actually posed, is still iffy.  What you might set up here is a red-tag on each and every mission do to second-guessing.  I'd rather see a space retrieval remedy devised.

I'm not as anti-NASA as it sounds on some of these threads.  I'm willing to kick them on the hind-side if I think they warrant it.  I'm also willing to recognize sucesses when it's warranted.  What might be a good idea, is to set up a review board that establishes an oversight of NASA operations.  They shouldn't be too tied to the techs or the management.  They should be an unbiased liason, that in extreme circumstances could slap down management hard.  Floating from one mission specific pre-flight crew to the next, they could develop a relationship with hands on people that would make absolutely sure NASA management wasn't sh-t canning valid complaints and concerns.  I do not believe we are at the stage where privatization is viable.  I still believe an SSTO space plane is a must before privatization can be realized.  BTW, I think that is the single most important task this nation faces, outside of immenent military hostilities and the war on terrorism.

Space is the high ground.  We need access on a ho-hum basis.  Fly into space, return the same day.  Fly into space again.  When this happens, the United States will become the Federation.  We will inhabit space.  We will make sure that a representative Republic rules the high frontier.  Commercially, privately, governmentally, militarily, this should be the only acceptable outcome to citizens of the United States.

170 posted on 02/07/2003 9:30:17 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 6, Staterooms As Low As $610 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: DoughtyOne; RJayneJ
Agree; and should be 'Quote of the Day' material.

Space is the high ground. We need access on a ho-hum basis. Fly into space, return the same day. Fly into space again. When this happens, the United States will become the Federation. We will inhabit space. We will make sure that a representative Republic rules the high frontier. Commercially, privately, governmentally, militarily, this should be the only acceptable outcome to citizens of the United States.

175 posted on 02/07/2003 9:53:16 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: DoughtyOne
You want NASA to be perfect...but these days, it's just another politically correct agency, especially after the Clintonista's got into power. There is a point system for black, female, hispanic, asian, but no points for white males. There are extra points if you are a black female manager, or hispanic, handicapped and female, etc., ad nauseum.

NASA was at its best when it did not have to succumb to PC, hired the brightest and best engineers....
189 posted on 02/07/2003 10:32:54 AM PST by Gracey
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To: DoughtyOne
Space is the high ground. We need access on a ho-hum basis. Fly into space, return the same day. Fly into space again. When this happens, the United States will become the Federation. We will inhabit space. We will make sure that a representative Republic rules the high frontier. Commercially, privately, governmentally, militarily, this should be the only acceptable outcome to citizens of the United States.

Mechanically or politically, I just don't think you can get there from here using a socialist system.

211 posted on 02/07/2003 11:14:03 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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