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Look thats BS guvment immediately shrank to nearly pre war levels after the civil war. The South seceded on the illegitimate grounds that they didn't even want the slave issue discussed immediately started massacreing people percieved as pro union( read about Eastern Tennesee), the logic of unrestricted secession leads to anarchy im a minarchist but not an anarchist. They were threatening to seize Western territories and they fired 1st. Lincoln had plenty of legitimate grounds for war( the main problem I had with Lincoln was the draft but the South introduced it 1st). Lincoln also wanted to spare the South long term military adminstration but he got assasinated.

Woodrow Wilson was the evil one in our history. Lincoln abolished slavery and established even States may not violate rights in the constitution then Wilson and his progressive commie pals nationalized slavery via the 16th amendment, 17th amendment creation of the Fed supporting women's suffrage thus insuring a huge block of liberal and illogical voters were created.

He also took us into WWI on the wrong side and redrew the world map in an insane manner. The principle of self determination enshrined ethnic tribalism. Was this out of stupidity no the man was an outright communist.

Lincoln was the beginning of the end for our Constitutional government.

There's not a nickel's worth of difference in what Washington, Madison, Jackson and Lincoln thought about the Constitution and Union. And consider this:

"That the United States form, for many, and for most important purposes, a single nation, has not yet been denied. In war, we are one people. In making peace, we are one people. In all commercial regulations, we are one and the same people. In many other respects, the American people are one; and the government which is alone capable of controlling and managing their interests in all these respects, is the government of the Union. It is their government and in that character, they have no other. America has chosen to be, in many respects, and in many purposes, a nation; and for all these purposes, her government is complete; to all these objects it is competent. The people have declared that in the exercise of all powers given for these objects, it is supreme. It can, then, in effecting these objects, legitimately control all individuals or governments within the American territory.

The constitution and laws of a state, so far as they are repugnant to the constitution and laws of of the United States are absolutely void. These states are constituent parts of the United States; they are members of one great empire--for some purposes sovereign, for some purposes subordinate."

--Chief Justice John Marshall, writing the majority opinion, Cohens v. Virginia 1821

Lincoln helped preserve the government set up by the framers of the COnstitution.

Our govcernment will work fine whenever honorable men run it.

Walt

Lincoln was the beginning of the end for our Constitutional government.

I prefer living in the 21^st Century and am no Lincoln apologist/detractor. Having said that, if what you think he did was the end of "our Constitutional government," then good riddance to it.

That is most certainly not what I have in mind when it comes down to our Constitution.

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