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President Bush to Speak at 4:30 pm ET LIVE THREAD
CNN | Feb. 6, 2003 | CNN

Posted on 02/06/2003 12:23:54 PM PST by Peach

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761 posted on 02/06/2003 6:14:38 PM PST by Bob J (Join the Free Republic Network! www.freerepublic.net)
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To: Wolverine
MORE POPPYCOCK

There's never enough poppycock. My poppycock is too often lost in my gobbledygook, falderol and balderdash.

I'll go with my take.

762 posted on 02/06/2003 7:16:05 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Yehuda
thanks!
763 posted on 02/06/2003 7:33:45 PM PST by I'm ALL Right!
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To: mombonn
You would probably get your panties all up in a knot if you knew how much Disney stock I own.

Disney, through its many subsidiaries puts out all kinds of garbage, that is true. If you don't like it, don't buy it. That's the approach I take. A lot of what Disney offers at its theme parks is wholesome family entertainment. Don't start with the Gay Days stuff because its not a Disney event. The gays arrange this on their own and Disney can't stop them from coming in. Sorry, but that would be illegal. Granted, they should take greater steps to stop the lewd behavior, but they can't control the patrons anymore than Jim can control the trolls who post crap on FR.

764 posted on 02/06/2003 7:52:07 PM PST by RayBob (Put your ad here!)
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To: IloveLisa
Hum. I don't get it. Are you MissNomer or ILoveLisa. Both screen names are newbies, registgered within a day of each other.
766 posted on 02/06/2003 8:10:45 PM PST by Darlin' ("If this isn't evil, then evil has no meaning")
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To: ArneFufkin
There's never enough poppycock. My poppycock is too often lost in my gobbledygook, falderol and balderdash.

Bosh! Hogwash! Tommyrot! Rigmarole! Mumbo-jumbo! Hooey! Fiddlefaddle!

767 posted on 02/06/2003 10:22:17 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: ArneFufkin
Bush needs to be above that process, because he needs to be the one who doesn't personally win or lose should our Security Council resolution fail.

Except that he would, no matter what. A failure by the UN to approve action against Iraq would cut some of the legs out from under Bush's plan, at least to some people around the world and here at home.

Today's speech clearly was intended to serve two purposes:

1. Light a fire under the UN, to let them know that no matter how they might close their eyes and wish real hard, war's coming to Iraq barring a miraculous last-minute capitulation by Saddam Hussein. The value of this message is that the UN won't be tempted to waffle, delay, or outright vote against action simply in the hopes of stopping war -- that won't help. This increases the chances of them just throwing in the towel and actually voting to approve the action.

2. He was also pointing out to the UN in as forceful terms as possible while still being semi-diplomatic that their own relevance and reputation are heavily on the line here. If they drop this ball, they're likely to go the way of the League of Nations. This, too, increases the chances of a resolution getting passed. Bush said, and I quote, "Now the Security Council will show whether its words have any meaning". He put a strong, meaningful emphasis on the word "any". His message was crystal clear.

In short, Bush was saying, "the train's leaving soon, and don't delude yourselves into thinking you can stop it -- now, are you coming along, or will you let yourself be left behind?"

It's last call for the UN. That was the purpose of today's speech.

768 posted on 02/06/2003 10:36:34 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: ArneFufkin
Powell received such accolades and stature from his performamce yesterday that Bush had to come out today and grab the spotlight back.

Flapdoodle!

Powell gave a great "here's the evidence" speech to the UN. But it was Bush's job to say as a capper what Powell couldn't, which is, "now what are you going to do about it -- and whatever you're going to do, do it fast."

Powell saying something like that would have undercut his fine presentation, and distracted from the evidence itself. Bush saying it, on the other hand, is exactly his role. And Bush waited over 24 hours for the UN to mull over the evidence, but not so long that the issue had cooled and been moved back to "we'll get around to this next week" status.

I think the timing was impeccable.

769 posted on 02/06/2003 10:52:20 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: ArneFufkin
Maybe we should chute-drop all the Gitmo housed members of the Bin Laden boys choir to a location outside Baghdad in a Army-Ranger like simulated operation to see what Hussein's intent and capabilities are.

ROFL! I like it.

770 posted on 02/06/2003 10:53:47 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: mommadooo3
I love that picture, but I'd like it a lot more if it were spelled properly. *sigh*
771 posted on 02/06/2003 10:59:34 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Peach
My two cents: President Bush held this hastily called press conference in order to see what the Iraqis response would be. Saddam and his henchmen watch CNN, like all world leaders, and probably thought we were going to announce bombs were in the air. We have people on the ground who can tell us what the response of the Iraqi army was, which will help us when we do go in.

That had occurred to me too. Although the last half of the speech was squarely aimed at the UN and made important points that had to be made, the first half, and the sudden "we're having a press conference" announcement (not to mention the timing, which was near nightfall in Baghdad -- a good time for us to attack) seemed calculated to give the impression that it was a commencement of war speech.

The first half, especially, sounded very much like a lead-up to a "we're bombing now" announcement.

I think Bush and his administration are smart enough to do such fake-out plays for exactly the reason you suggest, at the same time that they're delivering a very much-needed "lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way" message to the UN.

772 posted on 02/06/2003 11:03:55 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I wonder if the war has already begun. Perhaps special forces are right now neutralizing the mobile weapons labs? It might be prudent to do so while we still know where they are.

It wouldn't surprise me. Just last week we bombed one of Iraq's major missile centers near the coast. Unlike past bombings, it wasn't even because they had targeted or fired on one of our planes in the no-fly zones -- nor did we pretend that was our reason. The US simply announced that we bombed it because it was "a threat" to our ships at sea, period. It was widely reported but didn't make much of a news splash for some reason.

Clearly, we're softening them up already, and will undoubtedly continue to do so.

773 posted on 02/06/2003 11:10:28 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: mhking
"Tell him, 'Valdez is coming.'"

"...and hell's coming with him!"

Oh, wait, I'm mixing my western movies, aren't I? ;-)

774 posted on 02/06/2003 11:20:56 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: ArneFufkin
The headline in my local paper this morning was:

Powell's hard sell

U.N. council members say they'll review evidence against Iraq, but will push for further inspections

Now, are you still wondering why President Bush spoke out today?
775 posted on 02/07/2003 12:07:17 AM PST by fellowpatriot
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To: Miss Marple
Well, I will leave you to your opinion, which I believe is in error. I just heard the panel on Fox reiterate a couple of my thoughts

Only FOX AllStar Fred Barnes ventured an analysis close to my take? LOL! Well, if Mara and Mort don't agree ... then I must be wrong! I hope Juan doesn't think badly of me either.

776 posted on 02/07/2003 3:23:26 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Brit didn't agree with him, as I said. Also, I think it important that Mort and Mara were both impressed with Powell AND the President.
777 posted on 02/07/2003 3:26:11 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Ichneumon
Tommyrot? I like that one! ;^)
778 posted on 02/07/2003 6:23:53 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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