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Iraq moving troops, artillery closer to Kuwaiti border
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Posted on 02/06/2003 7:47:19 AM PST by lightsabre

Iraq moving troops, artillery closer to Kuwaiti border By JUAN O. TAMAYO Knight Ridder Newspapers

KUWAIT CITY - Iraq is moving troops and artillery closer to its southern border with Kuwait and deploying them astride highways in preparation for U.S. attacks, according to military officers with access to the region.

Iraqi forces also are increasing intelligence activities along the demilitarized border, sending tough-looking "civilians" to visit the area, the officers said. U.S. commanders, meanwhile, have dispatched crew-cut American "engineers" to the border, the officers said.

Most of the Iraqi troops look ragged, and some complain that they are eating only bread and aren't being paid, said officers in the 32-nation U.N. Iraq-Kuwait Observer Mission, based on the border.

"Some say their families were put under protective custody" to make sure they fight, "and try to sell us things just to eat," said a UNIKOM officer who traveled recently on the Iraqi side of the 150-mile border.

Tens of thousands of U.S. troops in Kuwait would use the oil-rich sheikdom of Kuwait as a springboard for a ground attack on Iraq if President Bush decides to invade.

U.S. military experts have long predicted that American troops would face little resistance from Iraq's ill-trained and poorly equipped regular army, largely stationed far from Baghdad. More formidable and elite Republican Guard and Special Republic Guard units guard the capital, some 280 miles north of the border with Kuwait.

UNIKOM officers who patrol the 9-mile-wide demilitarized zone, created after the 1991 Persian Gulf War, and who travel in southern Iraq provided a firsthand independent look at war preparations and troop morale in the region.

"They are terrified," said one army captain, clad in a blue beret. "They won't surrender at the first shot. They will surrender when they hear the first American tank turn on its engine."

Officers from four UNIKOM member-nations said a few thousand Iraqi troops moved closer to the border in recent weeks and began digging trenches on either side of the three north-south roads in the region.

Iraq also deployed a half-dozen 105 mm artillery pieces and several anti-aircraft guns in firebases surrounded by 15-foot-high sand berms on the northeast end of the border near the port of Umm Qasr, they said.

An army division based in the Iraqi city of Basra, 28 miles north of the border, has established a new combat command post near Umm Qasr, they added.

All the officers asked for anonymity because of their U.N. assignments.

Some Iraqi soldiers were armed with British pre-World War II machine guns, prompting speculation that they may be militiamen.

Iraqi troops mostly go unshaven and wear tattered uniforms, sometimes with sandals instead of boots. Some complain that they have been paid only a half-month's salary in the past three months, the officers said.

Soldiers have told visitors that they receive one pizza-like piece of bread at each meal and sometimes beg food from passing civilians and UNIKOM personnel.

One UNIKOM officer said he had spotted two groups of suspected Iraqi soldiers in civilian clothes and vehicles cruising the DMZ in apparent intelligence-gathering missions.

Four young Iraqi men are slowly building a house in the DMZ on high ground, where they can easily observe western Kuwait, the officer said. Some nights, what appears to be a radio antenna sprouts from the house.

Several groups of American civilians also have visited the DMZ recently, the officer added, "some with crew cuts and young enough to be my son, not the oil engineers they claim to be."

A few thousand Iraqi civilians and even fewer Kuwaiti civilians live on their sides of the DMZ, 3.1 miles wide on the Kuwaiti side and 6.2 miles on Iraq's. Civilian traffic from one country to the other is banned.

Iraqi and Kuwaiti troops are banned from the DMZ, but policemen with side arms are stationed at sandbagged observation posts on either side of the zone.

UNIKOM troops, who come from armed forces in Europe, Africa, Asia and North and South America, are based in the DMZ and can go into Iraq to coordinate with officials there.

U.S. and British troops stay out of Iraq to avoid incidents, however, because American and British warplanes that aren't not attached to UNIKOM regularly bomb anti-aircraft emplacements in southern Iraq.

The peacekeepers' Bangladeshi battalion provides armed security in the DMZ. Other countries provide support services such as road maintenance, mess halls, electricity and water, communications and medical units.

The international border is marked by several layers of sand berms and ditches too wide and deep to be breached by vehicles, plus an electrified fence on the Kuwaiti side.

UNIKOM officers said they had quietly advised their troops to be ready to evacuate the DMZ quickly in case of war and to watch UNIKOM's American members, because they might get advance warning.

"But I don't think there will be much fighting here," one UNIKOM captain said during an interview in a coffee shop. "That waiter there looks more together than any soldier I have seen in southern Iraq."


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KEYWORDS: gw2; iraq; surrender; terrified; troops
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To: Robe
"And Me thinks they're knee deep..."

I think you're on to something. Also they have been so heavily infiltrated that they know all their antiquities will be blown to smithereens if they don't kowtow.

They're going down the tubes either way they jump.
61 posted on 02/06/2003 9:42:51 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: lightsabre
"They are terrified," said one army captain, clad in a blue beret. "They won't surrender at the first shot. They will surrender when they hear the first American tank turn on its engine."

The only problem with that scenario is that our tanks are so amazingly quiet that you can barely hear it beyond a 'certain' distance. So those poor iraqi's draftees are in for another nasty surprise again....

62 posted on 02/06/2003 9:42:55 AM PST by prophetic
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To: Domestic Church
Maybe they will start surrendering to save their lives before it has officially begun.

Like ODS Part 1, we won't be targeting people. They have little to fear, unless they happen to be in close proximity to hardware.

We'll destroy what little equipment they have left in a day or two, after that they will have little choice but to surrender to us or go back to Bagdhad.

You can't die fighting when everything you have to fight with has been melted into a heap of slag.

63 posted on 02/06/2003 9:43:13 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Poohbah
If the war takes more than a week many of these conscripts will be in the brand new uniforms of the Army of Free Iraq, riding in American trucks, with full bellies and sky high morale, rooting out the last of Saddam's henchmen who will be dressed as women and hiding in cellars.
64 posted on 02/06/2003 9:44:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: lightsabre
Most of the Iraqi troops look ragged, and some complain that they are eating only bread and aren't being paid, said officers in the 32-nation U.N. Iraq-Kuwait Observer Mission, based on the border.

Note to U.S. military: prepare for mass surrenders, again.

65 posted on 02/06/2003 9:47:48 AM PST by A2J (What in the hell is Rice-A-Roni?)
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To: xsrdx
"They have little to fear,"

They fear Saddam and his brutality...they might start surrendering before the battle actually starts just to escape.
66 posted on 02/06/2003 10:17:58 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: lightsabre
"KUWAIT CITY - Iraq is moving troops and artillery closer to its southern border with Kuwait and deploying them astride highways in preparation for U.S. attacks..."

Hope they've selected a spot that will make a nice cemetery!

67 posted on 02/06/2003 10:22:16 AM PST by Destructor
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To: lightsabre
Wonder how many Baghdad apartment complexes he has filled with explosives, so he can kill off his people and blame the U.S.

The world best take a harder look at this serpent of the Tigris.


68 posted on 02/06/2003 10:40:58 AM PST by Rain-maker
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To: lightsabre
"They are terrified," said one army captain, clad in a blue beret. "They won't surrender at the first shot. They will surrender when they hear the first American tank turn on its engine."

LOL!

69 posted on 02/06/2003 10:57:57 AM PST by b4its2late
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To: Rain-maker
I'm a little concerned with the expectations of the American public. We have come to expect wars with little collateral damage and few American casualties. If he uses something "he doesn't have," will the public have the resolve to win?

I know W. will, but the Dashole's and Kennedy's of the world are positioning themselves to say "I warned you." I pray that the scenarios that suggest a quick victory are right, but we need to be ready to circle the wagons around the President.

70 posted on 02/06/2003 11:41:18 AM PST by legman ("If God is for us, who can be against us?")
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To: lightsabre
This is the Iraqi army, who won't fight. Saddam has deployed the Special Republican Guard around Baghdad and Tikrit, with the Republican Guard on the outskirts. They may fight.
71 posted on 02/06/2003 11:49:26 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: lightsabre
Soldiers have told visitors that they receive one pizza-like piece of bread at each meal and sometimes beg food from passing civilians and UNIKOM personnel.

Our Secret Weapon

72 posted on 02/06/2003 11:57:06 AM PST by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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To: lightsabre
I agree with those who say these guys are just canon fodder. They are there to fight a little and die a lot.

SOme of them will fight. They will not fight effectively. But they will have to be dealt with somehow. Either they will be rounded up and imprisoned, or maybe just told to go free. Some of the surrendering ones could be plants or spies. So you have to be careful, I suppose.

But I think Saddam's basic strategy will be to let Coalition forces advance toward the cites relatively unimpeded. they will not fight us in the open desert. They will not launch frontal assaults. they will fights in the cities. They will come at us from every nook and cranny.

They will probably impose horrendous burdens on their own civilian population. Remember, food is centrally distributed in Iraq. The government is the sole provider of basic foods stuffs for 23 million Iraqis.

Suppose that distribution system is shut down as the coalition advances? Then what? Especially if the Iraqi's can represent the shutting down as our fault somehow. What do we do? We have to feed 23 million people and fight a war in the cities against what will essentially be a guerilla army.
73 posted on 02/06/2003 12:13:52 PM PST by leftiesareloonie
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To: Loyalist
Excellent ROTFLAMO!!!
74 posted on 02/06/2003 12:24:16 PM PST by Camerican
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To: Happy2BMe
I've been up that Highway on the Kuwait side. I wsa there in June 1994 and a Kuwaiti soldier told me that they had finally gotten that mess cleaned up about six months before I got there. If we hit them this time, we better make Highway 8 look like a merciful act.
75 posted on 02/06/2003 3:28:39 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: prophetic
Well the Republican Guard found out that once you could see us (the tanks that is) we had them in our range and we were still outside their firing range.
76 posted on 02/06/2003 3:32:11 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: txradioguy
"If we hit them this time, we better make Highway 8 look like a merciful act."

I had buddies doing post-damage reports at the site, but I didn't go to.

They had to do extensive photo coverage to determine damage effectiveness. Needless to say, the damage was quite "effective." Don't know how it happened, but quite a bit of the archives wound up for sale on the streets in Kuwait, Saudi, etc., and were packaged in compact little 4x6 photo albums. Looked like a family album - then you'd open it up and WHAM - unbelievable carnage. I remember the Saudis would sell them to the G.I.s in Saudi and loved watching the facial expressions as they scanned the photos.

Heard "Puff The Magic Dragon" came through a time or two over HWY 8 . .

A Free Ticket To Raghead Paradise


77 posted on 02/06/2003 4:03:00 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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Attack on Iraq Betting Pool
78 posted on 02/06/2003 4:24:05 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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