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Canada unmoved by new U.S. evidence
Toranto Star ^ | 2/05/03 | JOHN WARD

Posted on 02/05/2003 5:52:28 PM PST by kattracks

No change in position despite 'persuasive' U.S. argument

OTTAWA - Despite a "disturbing and persuasive" argument that Iraq is trying to deceive UN weapons inspectors, Canada will await further word from the inspectors themselves before deciding whether to join the United States in any military response.

Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham said today that U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell made a convincing presentation to the UN Security Council suggesting that "Iraq seems to be trying to fool" UN teams searching Iraq for caches of forbidden weapons.

But, Graham added, Canada will await the decision of the council later this month before deciding on a course of action.

We are not at a point where there is a need to use force," he told a news conference. "However, we don't have much time left."

Graham was reacting to Powell's long-awaited speech at the UN, in which he detailed U.S. allegations that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has defied UN demands to rid his country of chemical and biological weapons.

The minister said the matter rests with Hans Blix, the chief arms inspector, who is to return to Iraq this weekend and will report back to the council Feb. 14.

"We need to give that inspection system a last chance, maybe one, maybe two, over a couple of weeks," Graham said. "If Dr. Blix comes back with a report saying that under no circumstances has Saddam Hussein any intention of co-operation with the inspectors at that point ... the other consequences have to flow."

Saddam has to show he's willing to disarm and to co-operate. If he doesn't, "the world has to take action to enforce its resolution," Graham said.

Powell outlined a circumstantial case, including satellite photos, intercepted communications and the word of unidentified informants, which suggested that Iraq maintains stocks of chemical and biological weapons and is hiding them from inspection.

Graham said he was impressed by Powell's willingness to use top secret material, even against the advice of security authorities.

"One thing that was somewhat surprising to me was the fairly extensive use of highly classified security materials, which usually the United States and other governments are very reluctant to provide," Graham said.

While he said Powell didn't provide a smoking gun, he did show a suspicious pattern of conduct by Iraq.

Canadian Alliance Leader Stephen Harper urged the government to side firmly with the United States, which says it will act unilaterally against Iraq if it deems such a move necessary, even without approval from the world body.

"What is the benefit now of giving Saddam Hussein the benefit of the doubt?" Harper asked the House of Commons.

Outside the House, Harper said Canada should take a stern stand.

"I think we should declare with our allies that Iraq is in material breach (of UN demands) and in order to increase the pressure on Saddam Hussein, that we should be redeploying in the Gulf region."

Alexa McDonough of the NDP told the House that Powell's "so-called evidence" proved nothing. Her party's position is that nothing justifies war against Iraq.

The Canadian Arab Federation said Canada should be trying to restrain the apparent U.S. zeal for war.

"Colin Powell is asking us all to take quite a big leap of faith ... to believe these assertions are proof that Iraq is producing weapons of mass destruction," said Audrey Jamal, the group's executive director.

She said she wants to see a diplomatic solution.

There were others who were suspicious about Powell's claims.

Shahina Siddiqui, a board member with the Canadian branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Powell was repeating old claims.

"I don't find it a convincing argument for war," he said.

He brushed off the tapes of alleged intercepted communications between Iraqi officers.

"Those tape recordings, I'm sorry, but these days anything can be manufactured."

Imad Khadduri, a former Iraqi nuclear scientist who immigrated to Canada in 1999 and works as a college computer instructor in Toronto was equally skeptical.

"The so-called evidence provided is threadbare," he said. Allegations about nuclear weapons "are flimsy, they are not true and I can disprove all of them with facts, because I lived them."

He said he worked on Iraq's nuclear weapons program from 1968 until after the Gulf War, when the project was destroyed.

Powell is spreading "disinformation," he said.

Khadduri conceded, however, that he had no personal knowledge of chemical or biological weapons stock.

Brian MacDonald of the Atlantic Council, a think tank that tracks UN issues, said the problem is that people are asking the United States to prove its case against Iraq, when the onus should be on Saddam to prove he doesn't have banned weapons.

So far, Canada has said it will await the decision of the Security Council, but Prime Minister Jean Chrétien has not closed the door on joining the United States without further UN approval.



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1 posted on 02/05/2003 5:52:28 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Send Mr. Graham a box of Kleenex.
2 posted on 02/05/2003 5:56:25 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: kattracks
Typical. I wonder how Canada's government got so leftist.
3 posted on 02/05/2003 5:58:31 PM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: kattracks
Alexa McDonough of the NDP told the House that Powell's "so-called evidence" proved nothing. Her party's position is that nothing justifies war against Iraq.

Un-freeping-believable. OK, chick, just make sure that when Muslim terrorists thank Canada for their porous borders by setting off a dirty bomb in downtown Toronto, you stand up and say that "nothing" justifies war against them.

BTW...Alexa, you'd be one of the first ones lined up against the wall and shot once they implemented sharia in the Islamic Republic of Canada. Of course Islamists can't have women in positions of political power.

None are so blind as those that refuse to see.

}:-)4

4 posted on 02/05/2003 5:58:54 PM PST by Moose4
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To: kattracks
Audrey Jamal...Shahina Siddiqui...Imad Khadduri

When Canadians are informed that they must now live under Sharia law, I will be unmoved.

5 posted on 02/05/2003 6:00:50 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: kattracks
Alexa McDonough of the NDP told the House that Powell's "so-called evidence" proved nothing. Her party's position is that nothing justifies war against Iraq.

I honestly don't understand people like this.

6 posted on 02/05/2003 6:02:50 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script)
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To: kattracks

yawn...

this excrement coming from a country ready to have a civil war about whether English or French should be the national language...

why am I not surprised???

BTW, weren't the first settlers in Canada French???

7 posted on 02/05/2003 6:03:37 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: kattracks
At some point soon the inspectors will have to decide to leave or stay around for the bombing and such. Is Saddam planning to have them for hostages? That would be interesting.

My solution would be for the US to airdrop small arms including handguns and ammunition for the Iraqi people and non-Republican Guard military to use. Not enough has been made of the fact that the Iraqis have no 2nd Amendment rights. Saddam rules because he disarmed the people as did the Taliban in Afganistan.

8 posted on 02/05/2003 6:04:01 PM PST by Poincare
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To: kattracks
Imad Khadduri, a former Iraqi nuclear scientist who immigrated to Canada in 1999 and works as a college computer instructor in Toronto was equally skeptical.

Better keep an eye on this guy. He left Iraq yet apparently still supports the government there. Sounds a bit suspicious.

9 posted on 02/05/2003 6:04:15 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: kattracks
"Colin Powell is asking us all to take quite a big leap of faith ... to believe these assertions are proof that Iraq is producing weapons of mass destruction"

I find it quite insulting that these countries are so hesitant to "believe" us... when is the last time we colonized ANYBODY. Why the h*** would we make this UP???

What's worse is that some liberals admit that he's got the weapons, but insist containment will work.... while others insist there is no way of knowing.... while others couldn't care either way and America is just a big bully out to steal everyone's oil...

I can't wait until we finally just DO IT and people can stop slamming Bush from every made-up direction they can dream up...

Tammy
10 posted on 02/05/2003 6:04:52 PM PST by Tamzee
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To: kattracks
"Canada will await further word from the inspectors themselves before deciding whether to join the United States in any military response." OH NO!!! How shall we ever defeat Iraq without the presence of the mighty Canadian Legions at our side?
11 posted on 02/05/2003 6:07:05 PM PST by apillar
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To: kattracks
No change in position

For that, read: "Head still firmly positioned in lower alimentary canal".

12 posted on 02/05/2003 6:13:49 PM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell (Whoever said "No man is an island" has never seen Ted Kennedy snorkeling.)
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To: Capitalist Eric
I think you're right about the first settelers there being French. Bed- wetters and whiners. Dittos on your YAWN ! LOL !!
13 posted on 02/05/2003 6:20:51 PM PST by mark the shark
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To: kattracks
> Alexa McDonough of the NDP told the House that Powell's "so-called evidence" proved nothing. Her party's position is that nothing justifies war against Iraq. <

When the West finally dies, it will happen in Canada first.

What the hell is wrong with these people?
14 posted on 02/05/2003 6:22:01 PM PST by Archimedes2000
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To: kattracks
canada can get a spoon and EAT MY ASS
15 posted on 02/05/2003 6:23:42 PM PST by Libertarian4Bush
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To: kattracks
"But, Graham added, Canada will await the decision of the council later this month before deciding on a course of action. "

In other words, Canadians are

A. Too stupid to decide.

B. Too pathetic too decide.

C. Too cowardly too decide.

D. We let others make our decisions for us.

F. All of the Above.

Count me as one vote for F, as in F for Canada.

16 posted on 02/05/2003 6:23:43 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Moose4
The NDP is the freaky looney left party. At their recent leadership convention T-shirts with slogans like 'Kiss me, I'm a terrorist' were sold.

The best one was the 'Capitalism sucks' T-Shirts, they were the MOST popular ones there. Some reporter asked if they were free and got a blank look. Turns out they were $15. I'm not joking.
17 posted on 02/05/2003 6:23:50 PM PST by Grig
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To: Moose4
Im sorry My American Friends for my county's stand ,there is alot of "FRENCH BACKING" here in Canada.
Its true many have said our Prime Minister has no backbone... they are correct in saying that. Right now our own government is reeling after this fiasco over the gun registry. But I cant believe Graham said well have to wait.

FOr a country that has a terrible track record on Immigrants, then paid lip service for 911, Sorry my AMerican Friends If my vote counts...Thanks for accepting it.
18 posted on 02/05/2003 6:24:36 PM PST by ruready4eternity
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To: Leisler
Canada != Canadian people

Our government is freakin out of it's mind and EVERYONE up here knows it. Attack our governemnt all you want, but don't go around thinking they represent us.
19 posted on 02/05/2003 6:25:19 PM PST by Grig
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To: Grig
I'm gonna pass that anecdote around.
20 posted on 02/05/2003 6:26:38 PM PST by Bogey78O (It's not a Zero it's an "O")
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