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Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally' (big surprise!)
UPI ^ | Published 2/4/2003 3:41 PM | By Martin Walker, UPI Chief International Correspondent

Posted on 02/04/2003 4:57:09 PM PST by Capitalist Eric

WASHINGTON, Feb. 4 (UPI) -- France is no longer an ally of the United States and the NATO alliance "must develop a strategy to contain our erstwhile ally or we will not be talking about a NATO alliance" the head of the Pentagon's top advisory board said in Washington Tuesday.

Richard Perle, a former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration and now chairman of the Pentagon's Policy Advisory Board, condemned French and German policy on Iraq in the strongest terms at a public seminar organized by Iraqi exiles and American Middle East and security officials.

But while dismissing Germany's refusal to support military action against Iraq as an aberration by "a discredited chancellor," Perle warned that France's attitude was both more dangerous and more serious.

"France is no longer the ally it once was," Perle said. And he went on to accuse French President Jacques Chirac of believing "deep in his soul that Saddam Hussein is preferable to any likely successor."

French leaders have insisted the country will oppose any military action against Iraq without a second resolution by the United Nations Security Council, where it holds one of five crucial veto powers. Last November France did vote for Resolution 1441, which promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors verifying that Iraq has indeed dismantled its programs for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

"I have long thought that there were forces in France intent on reducing the American role in the world. That is more troubling than the stance of a German chancellor, who has been largely rejected by his own people," Perle said, referring to the sharp electoral defeat suffered by Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's party in state elections Sunday.

Although he is not an official of the Bush administration, Perle's position as the Pentagon's senior civilian adviser gives his harsh remarks a quasi-official character and reflects the growing frustration in the White House and Pentagon with the French and German reluctance to support their U.S. and British allies.

"Very considerable damage has already been done to the Atlantic community, including NATO, by Germany and France," Perle said.

"But in the German case, the behavior of the Chancellor is idiosyncratic. He tried again to incite pacifism, and this time failed in Sunday's elections in Hesse and Lower Saxony. His capacity to do damage is now constrained. Chancellor Schroeder is now in a box, and the Germans will recover their equilibrium."

Perle went on to question whether the United States should ever again seek the endorsement of the U.N. Security Council on a major issue of policy, stressing that "Iraq is going to be liberated, by the United States and whoever wants to join us, whether we get the approbation of the U.N. or any other institution."

"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: cheeseeaters; french; surrendermonkeys
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Not any surprise...

But, at least the UPI is now putting this observation in the public eye...

1 posted on 02/04/2003 4:57:09 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: Capitalist Eric
New category: Impotent Enemy. Major source of Anti-American disinformation. Suspected supplier of WMD to rogue nations.
2 posted on 02/04/2003 4:59:28 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Capitalist Eric
Screw the UN, screw the frunks and gerdungs and screw NATO. The EU will be EuroIslamotrash without any western alliances and support....screw the communist trash.
3 posted on 02/04/2003 4:59:42 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: Capitalist Eric
Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally' (big surprise!)

Should read:

Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally' (Thank God!)

4 posted on 02/04/2003 5:00:26 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Gee I wonder how long it took them to come to that conclusion!
Next conclusion: Saudi Arabia may not be the perfect ally either....
5 posted on 02/04/2003 5:01:17 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: Poohbah
ROTFLMAO!!! If you are on the side of France, you are more than likely already waving the white flag.
6 posted on 02/04/2003 5:02:27 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: Capitalist Eric
Also here with over 150 posts.
7 posted on 02/04/2003 5:03:57 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Capitalist Eric
All the pieces are falling into place it seems.
8 posted on 02/04/2003 5:16:17 PM PST by billorites
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To: Capitalist Eric
If we conquer France, we could lower the price of Bordeaux.
9 posted on 02/04/2003 5:19:26 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Cicero
Considering France as an "ally" is like considering a rattle snake as a pet. Always waiting for its chance to bite you....
(no disrespect to rattle snakes)
10 posted on 02/04/2003 5:38:37 PM PST by outpost44
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France is no longer an ally of the United States

Unfortunately, Mr. Perle, the North Atlantic Treaty -- part of the ultimate "Law of the Land," according to the U.S. Constitution -- says otherwise. You don't get to cavalierly discard allies, under treaty, that you dislike. You work with them ...

... or you give up the treaty. Or you reconsider the worth of the treaty in the first place. But neither of those possibilities ever occurs to you, does it? And we know how readily you discard the "Congress shall have the power ... to declare war" part of the Constitution.

Toss away France, and you toss away NATO. We'd be better off, anyway. We'll now soon be pledged by that treaty to go to war if Lithuania is attacked by Russia. That's worse than the "we don't apparently own any maps" guarantee given by Britain to Poland in 1939.

11 posted on 02/04/2003 6:22:20 PM PST by Greybird (Resistance to even petty tyrants is obedience to God)
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Toss away France, and you toss away NATO.

Not true. France withdrew in a snit from NATO back in the 1960s, ostensibly to build its own "separate deterrent" force. While maintaining observer status, France never submitted its forces to NATO command. I'm no particular fan of the French, but in retrospect, I have to admire such a stubborn streak of sovereignty...

12 posted on 02/04/2003 6:57:32 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Capitalist Eric
"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests." -Richard Perle

Amen. Best quote of the year.

13 posted on 02/04/2003 7:00:07 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Capitalist Eric; sneakypete; river rat; Travis McGee; MadIvan
Who would have thought it: France is not our ally! As Gomer Pyle said so very well "Surprise Surprise Surprise!" When will the froggies surrender and give Normandy back to Britain?
14 posted on 02/04/2003 7:38:14 PM PST by CARepubGal (Deus Vult from a proud VWRC member!)
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To: CARepubGal
Phoque les phroggies.
15 posted on 02/04/2003 8:22:29 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Virtually yes. The VD they carry would be nasti in RL!
16 posted on 02/04/2003 8:31:10 PM PST by CARepubGal (Deus Vult from a proud VWRC member!)
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To: CARepubGal
Who would have thought it: France is not our ally!

It's almost enough to make you want to ask what their first good clue was,isn't it?

17 posted on 02/04/2003 8:49:41 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
That question did come to mind for some reason. I guess the quote about Germans can be extended to France: They are in one of two places: Groveling at your feet, licking your boots or attempting to stab you in the back.
18 posted on 02/04/2003 9:03:35 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: ApesForEvolution
Not that I disagree at all, but please tell us how you really feel. ROFLMAO
19 posted on 02/04/2003 9:05:56 PM PST by ImpBill
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To: ConservativeMan55; ImpBill
If this were ever a 'if you aren't with us, you're against us' moment that has already passed, I can't imagine one.

The frunks are costing American lives and emboldening the communist RATS in America every day they've held onto this charade.
20 posted on 02/04/2003 10:58:10 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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