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Here Come the NJ Clones
National Review Online ^ | 02.03.03 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 02/03/2003 7:38:16 PM PST by Coleus

Here Come the Jersey Clones A devastating bill inches toward law.

The U.S. Congress remains practically agnostic on human cloning. Or so its inaction suggests. A bill sits in the House of Representatives waiting to face debate. A Senate bill sponsored by Senator Sam Brownback, too, waits in the wings. The president issued a challenge to the legislative branch to get moving during his State of the Union address last week, and to get moving toward a total prohibition on all human cloning — not some half-baked ban that would, in the end, let the clone creation march onward anyway; just so long as you kill them in the end.

Congress may not be acting at the moment, but New Jersey is. On Monday, the Garden State's assembly's health committee takes up a particularly bad bill. Worse than the bad federal laws being proposed, the New Jersey bill does not even prohibit the implantation of a "cloned" embryo. The New Jersey bill would allow for the development of a clone up to and past birth, so long as scientists do not plan on someone raising the child they've created. It's only okay to clone, in other words, so long as you plan to kill the clone, ultimately.

If S1909/A2840 becomes state law, New Jersey would have the disastrous distinction of being the first state to allow human cloning and fetal harvesting — the state would be allowing the manufacture of human beings to kill and use for their parts. As New Jersey Right to Life puts it, "This legislation opens a Pandora's box where human embryo and human fetal farms, human experimentation, and reproductive human cloning will be allowed to flourish."

All the while, however, the New Jersey bill, supported by "Superman," activist Christopher Reeve, claims to actually ban human cloning. This is possible because the bill defines cloning after birth.

The bill, in fact, reads like New Jersey lawmakers have taken on Princeton infanticide-defender Peter Singer as a consultant. The supposed ban reads: "A person who knowingly engages or assists, directly or indirectly, in the cloning of a human being is guilty of a crime of the first degree. As used in this act, 'cloning of a human being' means the replication of a human individual by cultivating a cell with genetic material through the egg, embryo, fetal and newborn stages into a new human individual" (emphasis added).

The New Jersey legislation "constitutes the moral madness of killing in the cause of healing — with a possible profit motive that would encourage the grisly practice," according to a letter sent to Governor Jim McGreevey by four members of the President's Council on Bioethics (Princeton's Robert P. George, Stanford's William Hurlbut, Georgetown's Alfonso Gomez-Lobo, and Gilbert C. Meilaender of Valparaiso University).

In their letter, the four bioethics-commission members explain:

The pending legislation expressly authorizes the creation of new human beings by cloning and, perhaps unintentionally, their cultivation from the zygote stage through the newborn stage for the purpose of harvesting what the bills themselves refer to as "cadaveric" fetal tissue. Please pause to consider whose cadaver the tissue is to be derived from. It is the cadaver of a distinct member of the species homo sapiens — a human being — who would be brought into being by cloning and, presumably, implanted and permitted to develop to the desired stage of physical maturation for the purpose of being killed for the harvesting of his or her tissues.

Gerard V. Bradley, a constitutional law professor at the University of Notre Dame has warned that the effects of the bill, if passed would be "breathtaking, unprecedented, and widely regarded as morally disastrous. These effects include, most notably, a commercial market in the body parts of fetuses, and the birth of an unlimited number of 'cloned' babies."

Wesley J. Smith, author of Culture of Death: The Assault of Medical Ethics in America tells NRO: "It is remarkable — and very telling — that in less then two years, we have gone from 'only' wanting to harvest the stem cells from embryos left over from IVF procedures, to a state senate passing legislation that would permit the implantation and gestation of cloned fetuses to the ninth month, before requiring their destruction. This is not just a slide down a slippery slope, it is a headfirst plunge into the abyss."

Someone in the New Jersey assembly ought to consider the consequences of their disingenuous, devastating dive before they get human life in too deep, too late for second thoughts. And Congress should take a message from the Garden State before the Brave New World renders Capitol Hill irrelevant.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: a2840; abortionlist; babyparts; clonaid; cloning; kathrynjeanlopez; newjersey; nj; njclones; njcloning; njrtl; prolife; s1909; scnt; sprint; weinberg
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To: All
To find out the names of your two assembly members, call the Office of Legislative Services at 1-800-792-8630 or go to the legislature’s web page at

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp

Assemblywoman
Loretta Weinberg (D)
Majority Conference Leader

545 Cedar Lane
Teaneck, NJ 07666

PHONE NUMBER: (201) 928-0100
E-MAIL ADDRESS: AswWeinberg@njleg.org
41 posted on 04/07/2003 10:48:46 AM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
And New Jersey scientists aren't going start raising clones to toddlerhood and then knocking them off

What difference does it make how old they are when they're knocked off?

Cordially,

42 posted on 04/10/2005 8:32:21 PM PDT by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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To: firebrand


43 posted on 05/08/2006 6:35:58 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic)
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To: Coleus; abn11b; Afronaut; agrace; Alberta's Child; alephnull; alice_in_bubbaland; AM2000; ...
Thank you, Coleus. Just what I needed.

Hello, New Jersey. As most of you know, it's not about real estate tax rebates and car insurance. The current morally bankrupt bozos need to be voted out of office and this obscene law needs to be repealed.

Not that freepers need reminding about such things, but I was shocked last weekend that my family members (not the best-informed New Jersey-ites in the world, admittedly) were unaware of the reach of this law and its horrific implications. They remembered something about embryos without realizing that fetuses up to full term can be experimented on in any way the scientists choose.

Ramesh Ponnuru points out in his new book, The Party of Death, that the big donors in the Republican Party tend to be more pro-abortion than the rank and file. That makes sense, since they are rich, and therefore tend to be Republicans more for fiscal-restraint and tax reasons than for social-issue reasons. This fact had escaped me, for some reason, but it follows, of course, that donations to pro-life candidates are extremely important.

Thanks again, Coleus, for putting this thread together and for all your wonderful threads on the life issue.

44 posted on 05/09/2006 8:15:50 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...
There are a number of problems with this issue and getting the correct information out. The biased, left-wing press will not print the truth. The press makes somatic cell nuclear transfer aka "fetal farming" to be the greatest medical technique ever invented which will enable the medical profession to save the lives of millions. But what they don't tell you is that they are playing God, creating a life, growing the baby to a full term of 9 months, killing the baby and then using his organs for transplants, brain tissue, etc.

Our current government supports and funds the research of aborted babies and supports and funds abortions through the federal Medicaid system and from funding through Title X (a program started in 1969 by Geo. H.W. Bush) by funding Planned Parenthood (the USA's largest abortion provider).

Stem Cell Innovations Produces Human Stem Cells; for Use in Government Funded Laboratories (the National Institutes of Health, aka the US Federal Government, the moral-and-family-values congress and executive branch, funds research on the tissues of slaughtered, aborted babies).   Why waste good tissue, right?
 
NJ, Quinnipiac Poll on stem cell research misleading, Poll omitted important facts

Also, when writing their articles, the press appears to be touting non-embryonic stem cell research when reporting on new stem-cell research only to mention the word "embryonic" near the end of the article knowing that "most" people do NOT read an entire article. Or the press will use the term "fetal cells" or "fetal tissue" and not use the term "embryonic" at all.

Another problem is that most religions like reformed Judaism, mainstream protestantism don't come out against fetal farming and embryonic stem cell research and the Catholic Church while, although against it on paper, does not make sure that their flock completely understands the issue and does not come out against the catholic politicians who have pushed this since day ONE like governors McGreevey and Codey, Senate President Codey, Assembly Speaker Siries, etc. A number of catholics, some are in the K of C, in the legislature have voted YES to embryonic stem cell research, YES to cloning and fetal farming and YES to fund these initiatives. And fund it they do, all politically, there are 3 separate facilities one in the South, one in the Central and another one in the North part of the state all strategically located to keep everyone in the legislature happy.

FYI, "republican" Sen. Thomas H. Kean, Jr., candidate for US Senate, was the only republican senator in committee to vote YES to fund the Stem Cell Institute.

http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/050406/njKeanBacksStemCell.html
http://njrtl.org/content/newsletter_details.asp?ArticleID=1035

46 posted on 05/09/2006 12:58:39 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic)
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To: Coleus

Presently, mind you at present, the plan isn't to grow a cloned baby to the full nine months then harvest the organs, etc. The plan is to clone an individual, give life support in vitro to the newly conceived human being, then harvest tissues to be used at cellular level for the planned 'experimental' procedures. It is cannibalism, shrinker's snide comments not withstanding. It is also an evil so pernicious and so well hidden from public perceptions that it hints of demonic influence.


47 posted on 05/09/2006 5:19:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: firebrand; Coleus

Thanks for the ping. I have to admit, I really don't know much about this issue, either. This is an informative thread. This is the first time I've heard of the NJ "ban" on cloning.


48 posted on 05/10/2006 9:10:18 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: MHGinTN
the NJ stem cell bill allows cloning a baby to term when the technology develops in the future. There are no limitations in the bill.

Stealth Cloning
http://www.nationalreview.com/smithw/smith200502150746.asp
49 posted on 05/10/2006 9:25:56 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies and their mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton started it through exec. order)
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To: firebrand
Ramesh Ponnuru points out in his new book, The Party of Death, that the big donors in the Republican Party tend to be more pro-abortion than the rank and file. ***

Sen. Frist wants ESCR
50 posted on 12/12/2006 9:56:59 AM PST by Cucumber
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To: Cucumber

What exactly is a handbasket? Whatever it is, we're headed south in one.


51 posted on 12/12/2006 11:27:44 AM PST by firebrand
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