[Gophack]

The Bee's Marjie Lundstrom can be reached at (916) 321-1055 or mlundstrom@sacbee.com.

Need I say more?

[amused]

This from the same group of people who scream about taking away women's rights as if abortion were their only right.

[RAT Patrol]

Doesn't Marjie make a living out of attacking elected officials?

[Gophack]

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[Gophack]

"It is not relevant what pressures, if any, might conceivably be brought to bear on me. I am telling you now what you are entitled to know: that my decisions on amy public policy will be my own -as an American, a Democrat and a free man."

Yes, he has the right to make the choices as President, but they must not be anti-thetical to the natural law. One cannot separate their public life from morality; unfortunately, it has become the status quo.

Putting aside the Catholic Church for a moment, NO Christian who professes a belief in Jesus Christ as their savior, who died for their sins, can truly say they are free. Didn't Jesus ransom us? Didn't he die FOR us? Didn't he purchase us with the price of his blood?

You can't believe in the way, the truth and the life, and then turn your back on the natural law of human dignity for political expediency. Either you believe ... or you don't. You can't pick and choose. You have but one choice ... you either stand with God, or you stand against God.

God bless.

[W04Man]

Well, I was part of a recent incident that supports Ms. Lundstrom's suggestion that some are going overboard in their accusations. At the most recent CPAC conference, a worker from the American Life League Booth went on a rampage, yelling at The TV just after President Bush made his Columbia Disaster speach. The American Life League person was saying that President Bush was a "liberal" because he was morning 7 astronuat lives and said nothing about the thousands of babies killed by abortion. This person was engaged in argument by myself and others who indicated he was way out of line. We claimed that this was not an appropriate opportunity to raise this issue. President Bush is Pro-Life, and he is not "a liberal" as indicated by the American Life League person. While I am also a Catholic and a Pro-Life advocate, I cannot stand by when someone makes such outrageous statements. I told the person from ALL that Bush is not King Bush, he is President Bush and he can't just make laws on his own.

[dirtboy]

Abortion foes cross line with attacks on elected officials

An attack would be if the abortion foes physically assaulted elected officials, which is the image this dishonest columnist wishes to conjure up in the minds of her readers. But, as RAT Patrol aptly noted, Ms. Lundstrom verbally attacks elected officials all day long. But apparently only the politically-correct journalists are allowed to engage in such activities without dangers to society. And what would those dangers be?

And so California is poised to be the next exhibit in the corrosive world of abortion politics, where one side is already eating away at the separation of church and state.

And now hypocrisy followed by ignorance (with libs, the two walk hand in hand). The Constitution forbids the state from endorsing a religion. It does not prohibit religions from attempting to influence politics (unless they accept tax-free status, in which case they make themselves beholden to the tax man).

[LiteKeeper]

pro-life/anti-infanticide bump

[Desdemona]

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[Gophack]

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[Desdemona]

This is not the first time a California politician's faith has been challenged over abortion, with Communion dangled out like spiritual bait.

Bait?

[Quix]

'corrected' title:

Infanticide foes cross line with attacks on elected officials

Please barf on the elected officials.

[ArrogantBustard]

Gov. Gray Davis, also an apostate Catholic, for his consistent support of a woman's right to choose to rip her children into little, bloody pieces.

There. Much more accurate.

[ArrogantBustard]

Last I looked, California voters chose a Democrat to run this state, not the Vatican.

Fine. And if that democrat wants to support the wholesale, industrialized slaughter of the untermenchen, he should at least have the decency to quit pretending to be Catholic.

[toenail]

California abortion magnate Edward Allred long ago stated his reason for pushing abortion: cutting down the minority population. This BS about "rights of young girls to have their heads crushed by abortionists" is just so much blather. Everything that needs to be said about politicos and abortion can be summed up in two words: "racial demographics."

The Catholic Church has long championed the rights of minorities and worked to protect them from the schemes of those who fancy themselves People Breeders. What an incredibly vapid article. I don't even know where to start, this is so obtuse.

[pgyanke]

Truly sad... and informative.

What underlies the article is the basic difference between the conservative and liberal agenda.

Examples: John Ashcroft was horribly vilified and continues to be attacked by the mainstream media for his "right-wing", "pro-life", "religious" views. However, he is on record stating that even in cases where he disagrees with the law as written or decided by the court, he will uphold it. He will work to change the law, surely, when he sees the oppotunity, but he upholds the current interpretation of the law as our chief law enforcement officer. It is rather revealing about his opponents that they "project" on him the very practice which has given them their advances. Since they have abbrogated the law repeatedly, so must he.

Gov Gray Davis, on the other hand, imposes his position by fiat. Rather than uphold the law (and live up to his oath), he supplants the law with his own perceptions of right and wrong. If he runs afoul of the law... it must be a bad law.

Our President is a man of integrity. Rather than imposing his views by fiat, he is upholding the law and encouraging others to do the same. Where there is gray area, he provides guidance. Where it is clear, he clearly states the position of our government. Where it runs against his personally held beliefs (as in partial-birth abortion), he calls for change.

Where the liberal side of the political spectrum change or ignore the laws to suit their agenda the conservative side upholds the law until our argument can prevail.

In the instances cited in the article, Gov Davis warrants sanction by the Catholic Church. He isn't just upholding the law and praying for change, he supports abortion. That is an untenable position for a practicing Catholic who wishes to be in concert with the Holy See. The good bishop was right to recommend Gov Davis not partake in communion while he supports the culture of death. Such an admonition is not a separation of church and state issue (whether separation of church and state is even appropriate is the subject for another thread) as the Church has not told him how to govern... only told him how to practice his faith.

Those who would use their religion as a political convenience should suffer the political bite when they do so poorly.

[EBUCK]

But explain, please, how Bishop Weigand -- for all his religious and moral authority -- has any business singling out an elected politician from the flock and publicly insisting he change his views? If this isn't an intrusion of church into state matters, then why isn't Weigand crawling inside the heads of all his parishioners and issuing a similar, pre-Communion challenge?

Uh, he voluntarily submits to the Catholic rule, that's where the Bishop gets such authority.

Where does gray-out get off claiming to be a Catholic, "every sperm is sacred" (pause for tasteless MPFC plug), while supporting abortion?

[Coleus]

I just sent her this:

Living the Gospel of Life.
http://www.nccbuscc.org/prolife/gospel.htm

[MonroeDNA]

I wonder what a FR poll would reveal about whether abortion in all cases should be banned?

Too hot to touch?

[ElkGroveDan]

"Really, she said, "what it amounts to is that the final arbiter of this issue is your own conscience."

Lucy sounds more like a Unitarian Universalist. Someone she needs to tell her she's in the wrong church.

[ElkGroveDan]

"I've been a practicing Catholic for a very long time, and I was raised to believe in the separation between church and state."

Well then Gray, make it a full separation. Quit wearing your so-called Cahtolicism on your sleeve in public. If you are going to tell the world you are a Catholic, then the Catholic church has the right to remind you what that means.