Labor Party: Sharon rejected giving up a single settlement (UPDATE)

The Jerusalem Post ^ | 3 February 2003 | GREER FAY CASHMAN

[anotherview]

Feb. 3, 2003
Labor Party: Sharon rejected giving up a single settlement (UPDATE)

At their meeting today Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told Labor Party leader Amram Mitzna he would not remove a single settlement in the Gaza Strip, and under such conditions Labor cannot join a governmnent, Labor's secretary-general Ofir Pines-Paz said.

Pines told reporters after his meeting today with President Moshe Katsav that he had recommended against naming Sharon as prime minister, although he realized the election results suggested he was the key choice.

He said that Sharon did not suggest any willingness to "make any dramatic change in policy" in his two-hour talk with Mitzna this morning.

Sharon met with Mitzna at about the same time that Katsav held his perfunctory consultations with party leaders, in advance of designating Sharon to appoint a government.

Pines said that Labor would not join a Sharon-led coalition under the same guidelines as the last unity government which Labor quit in October over its steady funding of Jewish settlement in the territories.

But Labor would agree to back Sharon from the opposition benches on issues of consensus, just as it supported the late Menachem Begin when he made peace with Egypt in 1979 and former premier Binyamin Netanyahu when he signed the Wye accords in 1998, Pines said.

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I don't get it. Israel is supposed to make dramatic changes. What are the Palestinians supposed to do?

[anotherview]

If the Palestinians stop their attacks on Israelis, mainly civilians, Prime Minister Sharon has repeatedly said he will withdraw the IDF from the areas that are supposed to be under Palestinian administration and return to the peace process. He has endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state.

What should the Palestinians do? Stop the terrorism and attacks. Then, as we saw at Camp David and Taba, they will get most of what they want.

Of course, those Palestinians who want to destroy Israel will NEVER get what they want, and Arafat and company have made no effort to keep them in check.

[anotherview]

You seem pretty ignorant of Israeli politics. Ariel Sharon does not operate in a vacuum. The Israeli people want peace, but not the peace of the grave the Palestinians are offering. Menachem Begin made peace with Egypt, Binyamin Netanyahu delivered the Wye River Accords with Ariel Sharon as his chief negotiator, and a very pragmatic Prime Minister named Ariel Sharon will follow the U.S. line and negotiate a reasonable peace treaty.

Of course, if you're one of the people who looks to attack Ariel Sharon and Israel at every turn nothing I say will make any difference at all.

Tell me: is there any justification for suicide bombings and sniper attacks on civilians in your mind? What do you think the U.S. would do if, say, a Mexican group decided they wanted a separate state in the southwestern U.S. and took up arms against American civilians? What, in your mind, should Israel do to protect it's civilians and survival?

[anotherview]

You know I'm Israeli, right? Tell me, if Amram Mitzna so understands what Israel needs, why did he only get 19 mandates in the last election? Obviously Israelis don't think he understands.

Oh, and Palestinians do not have the right to vote because they are not inside Israel. Israel does not want to continue occupying a hostile people forever. Palestinians in East Jerusalem (which Israel annexed) DO have the right to vote if they take Israeli citizenship. Most CHOOSE not to do so.

[happygrl]

What are the Palestinians supposed to do ?

Work hard, send their children to school, enjoy their families.

That's enough.

If they would stick to doing those things, with or without a country, they would live in peace and prosperity.

[anotherview]

Also, what was offered at Camp David and at Taba was offered by Labor. Not by Likud.

Quite correct. Labor under Ehud Barak offered unprecedented concessions to the Plaestinians. The Palestinians rewarded these concessions with war abnd violence.

Likud got 38 mandates, and the right and religious parties as a whole got 69. Labor, Meretz, and the Arab parties, in other words, the left, got a total of 33. Quite a repudiation, don't you think?

Interesting to see someone defending liberal positions and parties on this of all boards.

[anotherview]

Quite right. If they stuck with the things you suggest they could have had a country many times throughout the last century.

[wgeorge2001]

"At their meeting today Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told Labor Party leader Amram Mitzna he would not remove a single settlement in the Gaza Strip, and under such conditions Labor cannot join a governmnent, Labor's secretary-general Ofir Pines-Paz said."


Very good news indeed. I hope he never works with Labor again. Why?
LABOR=Israel without a land.

[SJackson]

Also, what was offered at Camp David and at Taba was offered by Labor. Not by Likud.

It’s completely irrelevant who offered it, it was turned down flat cold by Arafat, who even now, a decade post-Oslo, has refused to even attempt to fulfill his most basic Oslo requirement, the recognition of Israel’s right to exist.

The objective of the PLO and Arafat is the destruction of Israel as laid out in the PLO charter. The peace process is a step toward that goal, a policy adopted in the phased plan nearly three decades ago, and also still in force, in fact mentioned by Arafat in the Arabic versions of his speech explaining Oslo.

Israel has no negotiating partner.

BTW, re Well if those "Mexican separatists" you speak of have the right to vote, I don't think they'll take up arms in the first place., the Azatlan movement is ineffectual today, but they’re close friends with Arafat and do study his methods.

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From La Voz de Aztlan mission statement, “Greetings from the Revolutionary Council and Provisional Government of Aztlan! La Voz de Aztlan has provided this column for the dissemination of important information concerning our struggle for self-determination. We invite you to visit this web page from time to time to read communiques issued by the Council as a whole or by the individual Ministers of the Provisional Government.

Their emblem (California’s future flag?) Note the bomb:

From El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan A nation autonomous and free - culturally, socially, economically, and politically- will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat.
El Plan de Aztlan is the plan of liberation!

[SJackson]

Oops, meant to include this too:

http://aztlan.net/nofa.htm

Ministry of Foreign Affairs
October 18, 2000

On the Palestinian-Jewish Issue

La Raza's struggle for the land and for political and economic self-determination is not different from the struggle of the Palestinian people in Zionist Israel. We live in Aztlan under Anglo domination as the Palestinians live under Jewish domination. La Raza as well as the Palestinians lost the land through military aggression and both people now live in segregated regions within the larger nation. The Palestinian people as well as La Raza provide the hard labor necessary to prop up the national economies. Both Raza children and Palestinian children are victims of educational discrimination. The Palestinians as well as La Raza are considered people of color. So who should we side with in the present struggle in the Middle East? Will it be with the Jewish Zionists or with Islam? It is no secret that the United States as a whole is siding with the Jews, but should we? It is also no secret that the Jewish Lobby in America now also dominate large parts of the U.S federal government. It is estimated that over 32% of the Clinton Administration is of Jewish descent. Many are top level Federal Officials and includes the Secretary of Defense as well as the Secretary of State. In fact, the Department of State is now pretty much entirely Jewish. Most of the foreign Ambassadors are Jewish. This trend was begun by Henry Kissinger who is a Jew. This is very surprising considering that Jews only make about 2% of the total US population. Making these statements is not anti-semitic. It is stating facts. We do not hate Jews. We respect the contributions that many Jews have made to world culture. However, we reject Zionist racist Jews like the war criminal Ariel Sharon and appeal to all good Jews to do the same.

Israel can now be considered to be the 51st state. U.S. taxpayers are now sending over 8 billion dollars each year in economic and military aid. The sophisticated military weaponry being utilized against defenseless Palestinians are gifts from Uncle Sam. In fact, Israel now has nuclear and biological weapons, thanks to the United States. Why is the US providing so much to Israel? Well the selection of Joseph Lieberman as Vice Presidential running mate for Al Gore should give a clue.

Another clue should be provided by how the Israeli Army atrocities unfolded in the US media. At first, none of the Palestinian children murders were being covered by ABC, NBC or CBS. Not until the French and Italian media started broadcasting pictures of dead Palestinian children was the US media forced to cover some of the Israeli atrocities. Politicians, including Hillary Clinton running for US Senate in New York need a friendly media to be able to win elections.

La Raza is a victim of the same political and economic forces that are oppressing the Palestinian people and other people of color around the world. We must awaken to this fact and understand the hidden strategies and tactics being utilized to subjugate our people in order to devise effective counter-measures to neutralize them.

Tezcatlipoca
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Nation of Aztlan

[wgeorge2001]

Play the theme from the twilight zone. California has many problems that need addressing and politians who aren't addressing anything but liberal causes. Disaster.

[wgeorge2001]

"We do not hate Jews. We respect the contributions that many Jews have made to world culture. However, we reject Zionist racist Jews like the war criminal Ariel Sharon and appeal to all good Jews to do the same."

While I was in Washington D.C. protesting the anti war hypocrites and shouting "God bless America,God bless Israel"
many of the arabic and communist elements of the parade called me a zionist.
They are absolutely right. Lord Jesus Christ will rule for 1000 years in Israel after the tribulation. God bless Israel!