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You may want to go back and reread that thread again. The images that are being debated were shot with a Sony camcorder of a television. What Freedom Calls and others cannot explain away is the flat spinning object to the lower right of the object in question. I gotta admit, they made a pretty good case until I saw that. The spinning object is flat, and big, which would explain why the rudder is missing from the object. Not only that, the original video was shot not with a camcorder on the ground but by a news station photographer in an aircraft. Another poster said that the Dallas newstation (WFAA) played the video along with the live coms between the shuttle and NASA and the comms end seconds before the shuttle comes into that shot. Give it a look.