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Shuttle Contact LOST-No Tracking Data During RE-Entry!
Nasa TV | 02/01/03 | GRRRR

Posted on 02/01/2003 6:16:05 AM PST by GRRRRR

Shuttle has NOT been heard from or seen on tracking radar since 0800Hrs CDT. No contact at Merrit Island tracking station, no voice comm...DEVELOPING.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: astronauts; columbia; columbiatragedy; disaster; du; feb12003; ilanramon; india; israel; nasa; ramon; revoltingevilduers; shuttle; space; spaceshuttle; sts107; unitedstates
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To: sciencediet
I would think that all the toxic stuff would have been burned off. I think its just a story to keep people from taking souvenirs. I bet debris is dropping in Mexico too. How we going to recover that?
1,941 posted on 02/01/2003 10:46:26 AM PST by virgil
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To: Jhoffa_
"I can't imagine cheering the death of innocent Muslims."


I can't imagine cheering the death of an innocent no matter what religon. I couldn't come up with an excuse good enough to explain that away at The Pearly Gates.
1,942 posted on 02/01/2003 10:46:41 AM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: AppyPappy
I heard him say earlier something about her losing some equipment in space (or almost losing some) can’t recall the exact comment... may have been that-only speculating here.
1,943 posted on 02/01/2003 10:46:42 AM PST by Txslady
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To: Timesink
Here's another one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID60/32836.html

"It's 1:30 PM, do you know where your president is?

Now that NASA has just finished their first conference, how much longer will it take for Georgie to be ready to at least make a brief statement?

Him and Tony must have really tied one on last night. Just like Roosevelt and Churchill. Which by the way, it is said, no one could keep up with Churchill."



Now...One simple question:

Does anyone doubt for a minute that if President Bush had jumped-up and given a speech two hours ago, that this same person would have made a post along the lines of: "Wow...He just COULDN'T WAIT to take advantage of this tragedy."?????

Mindless fools. And another in a long line of reasons of why I wish we hade a "DUhhh Exposed" catagory here.

1,944 posted on 02/01/2003 10:46:59 AM PST by The South Park Republican
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To: The South Park Republican

If you must be an idiot, please try to be a coherent idiot..

"all alike" "they"

You're going to have to be more clear if I am going to understand and respond to this.

PS: If you're refering to Muslims in general, you may well be the only person on FR who hasn't flamed me for defending peaceful Islam.

As such, it's my opinion that you probably just have no idea what you're talking about.

1,945 posted on 02/01/2003 10:47:36 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (I AM Bad Ash..)
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To: cebadams
 
Thanks much for compiling that information.
1,946 posted on 02/01/2003 10:48:26 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: Jhoffa_
Palestinians. Not Muslims.
1,947 posted on 02/01/2003 10:48:44 AM PST by The South Park Republican
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To: bonesmccoy
No cheap shot intended toward you. We can talk about Palmdale some other time, but I did confirm that the OMDP was done there. This is Columbia's first flight after.
On September 24, 1999, Columbia was transported to Palmdale California for its second ODMP. While in California, workers will perform more than 100 modifications on the vehicle. Columbia will be the second orbiter outfitted with the multi-functional electronic display system (MEDS) or "glass cockpit".

1,948 posted on 02/01/2003 10:48:52 AM PST by snopercod
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To: virgil
That smoky field has an oddly suspicious distribution of 'debris'.
1,949 posted on 02/01/2003 10:49:20 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Start Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: alancarp
DEORBITING THE SHUTTLE/LANDING SEQUENCE

To return to Earth the astronauts must perform a number of checklist items including cleaning up the crew cabin, reinstalling the mission and payload specialist seats, powering down scientific experiments or the Spacelab, and closing the payload bay door s. If the doors fail to close an astronaut must perform an EVA to remove four shear pins that allow the doors to be manually closed; the orbiter cannot reenter with the payload bay doors open. Next the astronauts don the pressure suits which they wore during ascent to prevent loss of oxygen and pressure during descent and to accomplish the contingency abort if it becomes necessary.

After the astronauts are suited and seated, the shuttle commander orients the shuttle using the RCS so that the OMS engines are pointing in the direction of the orbiter motion. An OMS burn performed in this position slows down the orbiter so that its new perigee point is about 6 miles or 36,000 feet above the Earth's surface. Another RCS maneuver points the nose forward and sets up a space-atmosphere interface attitude of about 30º nose up. This insures that the thermal energy is concentrated on t he heat tiles. From a point halfway around the world the shuttle begins its entry.

The orbiter enters the Earth's atmosphere as it travels toward its new perigee point. A spacecraft normally increases velocity as it travels from apogee to perigee, but the drag induced by the Earth's atmosphere begins to slow down the shuttle. This decrease in speed causes the orbiter to increase its descent rate as the perigee point changes due to the spacecraft slow down. The pilots continue to orient the spacecraft using the RCS so that its bottom surface faces down with the nose facing forward.

About 30 minutes after the deorbit burn the shuttle begins to penetrate the Earth's atmosphere in earnest. Tremendous heat builds up on the orbiter's underside until it reaches a maximum at 20 minutes before landing. Thermal protection of the spacecraft is vital to human survival; this protection depends upon 32,000 silica glass tiles. These tiles vary from a measurement of six inches by six inches to eight by eight inches. They range in thickness from one-half an inch to 3.5 inches and are the consistency of chalk. Twenty thousand of these tiles are called high temperature reusable surface insulation (HRSI) and cover the areas most likely to encounter intense heat such as the bottom of the orbiter and its nose. These tiles are painted black and resist temperatures up to 1300ºF by radiating 90% of the heat back into the Earth's atmosphere. Low temperature reusable surface insulation tiles are painted white and resist temperatures up to 1200ºF. These tiles cover the upper side of the or biter's wing and the sides closest to the nose.

Because of the intense heat generated on the orbiter's nose and leading edges of the wings, reinforced carbon-carbon with a temperature resistance of 2300ºF is used to cover these surfaces. The rest of the orbiter including the top of the wings and the payload bay only encounter mild heat effects so they are covered with a thin layer of white insulation called flexible reusable surface insulation (FRSI) which protects up to 700ºF.

The reentry heat also causes another phenomenon called ionized communications blackout. The energy causing the heating strips away the electrons from the nitrogen and oxygen molecules causing positive ions which ensheath the sides and bottom of the orbiter thus causing loss of communications from 25 minutes before landing until 12 minutes before landing.

During the last 16 minutes before landing the orbiter performs four S-turn maneuvers to slow it down. Each of these turns removes energy from the vehicle very much like that experienced by a giant slalom skier. At this time the flight control systems such as the elevons and the rudder have sufficient air pressure to accomplish the maneuvers and the RCS is turned off. The last S-turn is performed five minutes prior to landing while the orbiter's speed is still MACH 2. At 5 minutes before landing the shuttle is at 83,000 feet. Its target is a 15,000 foot runway which looks like a skinny postage stamp at this altitude. At 86 seconds prior to landing the orbiter is at 425 miles per hour and at 13,000 feet; at this point the autoland sequence begins. Approaching the runway from this altitude, the shuttle has a 22º glide slope and a rate of descent approaching 22,000 feet per minute. The average airliner uses three degrees and a rate of descent of 700 feet per minute. At 17 seconds prior to touch down the glideslope is changed from 22º to 1.5º. At 14 seconds prior to touchdown the landing gear is lowered and then touchdown occurs at 215 miles per hour. When all three gear are firmly on the runway a small drag chute is released to slow the orbiter further and expend less energy on the wheel brakes. The orbiter rolls to a stop and then a convoy comes out to safe the craft. The major fact to remember is that this entire landing sequence is done without any power and the astronauts are flying nothing more than a large glider.

1,950 posted on 02/01/2003 10:49:46 AM PST by alancarp
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To: Libertina
Just heard from a SAS sister that Wwyne La Pierre's daughter's best friend was one of the aatronauts... so sad.

Oh, my. Yes, so sad. So sorry...

1,951 posted on 02/01/2003 10:50:04 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (9 out of 10 Republicans agree: Bush IS a Genius !!)
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To: Smile-n-Win
honoring the heroes of the Columbia

I know this is going to start a flame war, but just why are these people heroes?

Because they died? A lot of people die and don't get called heroes.

I am sadden by their deaths, but in no way are these people heroes.

1,952 posted on 02/01/2003 10:50:14 AM PST by husky ed
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To: alancarp
I FORGOT TO POST THE SOURCE: http://www.space.edu/projects/book/chapter19.html
1,953 posted on 02/01/2003 10:50:24 AM PST by alancarp
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To: MadIvan
"God will come for them if they do celebrate this"

I don't think it's God who will be coming for them.

1,954 posted on 02/01/2003 10:51:38 AM PST by sweetliberty (Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it)
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To: The South Park Republican
Well, there is a precedent here.

They did cheer and party down when the WTC was attacked. They did call it a rebuke from allah and they did try rub our noses in it.

All I did was agree with the poster, allot of radical Islam will make hay with this.. and I find that disgusting. As well as fantastically complicated (ahem) "logic"

1,955 posted on 02/01/2003 10:52:03 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (I AM Bad Ash..)
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To: backhoe
Backhoe,

This is not directed at you but at the message you referenced. It is undoubtedly but the most stupid post I've ever seen in my short stay here.

1,956 posted on 02/01/2003 10:52:35 AM PST by Archangelsk (Quote from a friend, "I'm SF, the world is my lane.")
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To: alancarp; All
I want to take a moment to express my profound gratitude everyone involved in this very emotional thread. Free Republic is a wonderful forum for news, commentary and to commiserate in times like these.

Special thanks to you, Jim!
1,957 posted on 02/01/2003 10:52:48 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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To: All
Brian Willams just read a copy of the transcript of the last commo between JSC and Columbia. JSC was telling them that they "see the tire preassure messages, but we did not copy your last transmission." Followed by static and the start of a transmission from Columbia "Buh...." and they lost commo.
1,958 posted on 02/01/2003 10:52:48 AM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: husky ed
They put their lives at high-risk by participating. In this case, their focus appears to be for scientific advancement. That makes someone a hero.
1,959 posted on 02/01/2003 10:52:58 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: Timesink
Impossible. There is no technology in existence that can hit an object at such an altitude and speed. -

Actually, lasers could, but I think we are the main developers of those tools, and I doubt the Islaterrorist will have that ability for a very long time... or never, I hope.

I half expect the conspiracy nuts at DU to start in on that angle.

BTW, how long before the "Pieces"Niks start telling us we can't go to war in the face of such a disaster?

1,960 posted on 02/01/2003 10:53:09 AM PST by FreeAtlanta
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