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Bush Asks for $15 Billion to Fight AIDS in Africa (It's unprecedented and will save lives)
reuters ^ | 1/28/2003 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 01/29/2003 7:57:13 AM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Why are WE paying for this insanity?

We are paying for it, because it is a key move in the political game being played. They're doing this proposal to preempt the socialist demands for a $120/person donation to the African AIDS fund. Instead, they're offering $50/person.

This and all the other socialist programs being advanced are primarily to secure votes. In additon they are playing to gain position in the rest of the socialist world. They are minimizing the amount redistribution they figure is needed to stay in power. That's what it amounts to. That goes for the black hole that is their hydrogen proposal also.

In reality, if all those leftist bozos were really concerned about the plight of the Africans, they'd use their own time, talents and money to do something. Well, they don't give a damn. What they are interested in is perceptions. They are artists, con artists, appealing to the emotional waverings of the voters. Their activities are almost entirely driven by their own motivations for cash, power and glory.

121 posted on 01/29/2003 9:17:52 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Kevin Curry
anal sodomizers and intravenous drug abusers

Aids in Africa is not being transmitted by anal intercourse. Please refrain from posting when you're ignorant.

122 posted on 01/29/2003 9:19:07 AM PST by happygrl (Your bigotry is showing)
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To: weikel
I don't care how you feel, cookie.Now, hit the books and make your folks proud, and stop pretending you know diddly about anything.Oh, and please, use basic punctuation.Even today's employers like to know their trainees can write.
123 posted on 01/29/2003 9:19:18 AM PST by habs4ever
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To: Chad Fairbanks
> it seems to me that Bush is thinking ahead - if we dont' stop the epidemic there NOW, we will have our own critical epidemic HERE because of it... <

Spoken like a true liberal. Why is rampant sexual promiscuity in Africa OUR problem? Don't want it here? Then tighten up our borders.

Now, let's here all the neo-con lapdogs yip about how Bush caught his enemy's "off-guard". Yeah, because he's taken their position.
124 posted on 01/29/2003 9:20:27 AM PST by jaime1959
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To: TLBSHOW
Bush Asks for $15 Billion to Secure U.S. Borders.

That’s what I was hoping to hear last night.
125 posted on 01/29/2003 9:21:50 AM PST by Barnacle (Not just your everyday marine crustacean of the subclass Cirripedia)
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To: happygrl
Aids in Africa is not being transmitted by anal intercourse

Is there some new airborne strain im unaware of?

126 posted on 01/29/2003 9:22:19 AM PST by weikel (The Democratic Party: A communist front since 1896)
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To: biblewonk
You're welcome.

And please set me straight when I'M wrong, brother.

127 posted on 01/29/2003 9:22:45 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Jim Noble
I think Bush has a very sophisticated strategy to deny the RATs their customary 90+% of the black vote.

That, and more! There are SO many aspects of this move that are smart:
-- Blacks have to see that Bush MEANS it when he talks about compassion
-- Liberals have had the rug pulled out from under them on two fronts, blacks and AIDS
-- Bush has taken the AIDS issue, removed it from the American Gay agenda, and directed it toward a people worthy of help. Gays would look like chumps to complain.
-- A poster here noted the national security aspects of this, i.e., someone dying of AIDS might feel, why not die as a suicide bomber, I'll die anyway.
-- A poster here also noted that this is a good way to stay on the good side of nations rich in natural resources
-- Someone noted that may provide stimulus to pharmaceutical companies
-- Depending on how it is administrated, this program will help show, once more, the uselessness of the UN.

I thought this was brilliant strategy by Bush. In a perfect world, the government wouldn't tax us to use money for such things, but this is not a perfect world. I think Bush is way ahead of the curve here and dealing with the REAL world.

128 posted on 01/29/2003 9:23:10 AM PST by Finny (God Bless G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, good timing, success, and victory.)
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To: jaime1959
NO need for name-calling. If you can't debate without it, then shut the f***k up.
129 posted on 01/29/2003 9:26:45 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.)
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To: Gunslingr3
Great quote! It's always our money the government is spending, however noble it's ambitions may seem. They'd be somewhat more cautious if they had to earn it. (i.e. Kuwait should have paid us 12 years ago and kept on doing so.)
130 posted on 01/29/2003 9:28:52 AM PST by yankeedog
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To: sinkspur
Stopping AIDS in Africa is going to involve a whole lot more than lectures from a bunch of do-gooders.

Sinkspur - the only thing which will stop it is refraining from sexual promiscuity. Nothing, I repeat, nothing else will. Out of compassion, it is good to help those who suffer, but as many have suggested on this thread, there are a great many who suffer in this world - a great many of whom do so not of their own poor choices. We should be helping in a balanced way - but we've made AIDs cases more important than just plain hunger. Further, we're spending a great deal of this money in ways that do nothing to reduce sexual promiscuity (the root cause of this problem). As usual, the liberals wish to spend a great deal of money in a very PC way, and which does not make a lot of common sense (liberalism = lack of common sense in general). Further, as many posters have pointed out, charity should be a personal decision - not a governmental one. It would be far better for the president to urge AMericans to help with their own funds sufferers of hunger and AIDs around the world, than to take our money and tell us where best to spend it.

131 posted on 01/29/2003 9:29:15 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: weikel
Why should 15 billion in American tax money be spent so Mugabe can have a new Ferrari?

Hopefully, Mugabe will buy some American weapons, and maybe a Hummer or three. Besides, we're only talking about fifteen billion dollars. That's nothing these days.

132 posted on 01/29/2003 9:29:29 AM PST by babaloo999 (Why yes, it is sarcasm. Thanks for caring enough to read this.)
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To: yendu bwam
Bravo for a very insightful answer !

It IS true that a new paradigim is needed for Africa.

As much as the CONDOM pushers tried (the P.C. do-gooders), the approach that was successful came from Africans themselves.

And it turned out to be Old Fashioned Morality.

A year ago, I, too would have been sceptical of a large amount of money designated for medicines, when no slowdown in infection rates had been achieved anywhere.

But the excitement of that Ugandan health minister was great to see.

The good needs to be affirmed.

This is the time to do for aids what was done for polio, smallpox, and other diseases which were endemic at one time.

133 posted on 01/29/2003 9:31:26 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Finny
I thought this was brilliant strategy by Bush. In a perfect world, the government wouldn't tax us to use money for such things, but this is not a perfect world. I think Bush is way ahead of the curve here and dealing with the REAL world.

A good summation, Finny. In principal, this is not a right thing for most conservatives. But it was a brilliant, brilliant political strategy - and one hopes that given that, the money will indeed help those who suffer.

134 posted on 01/29/2003 9:31:41 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: jaime1959
Spoken like a true liberal. Why is rampant sexual promiscuity in Africa OUR problem?

The worst is that liberals can't even bear to see the connection between AIDs and rampant sexual promiscuity. Liberalism is the antithesis of common sense.

135 posted on 01/29/2003 9:33:21 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Geezerette
But we don't have that kind of money to throw around the world! WE NEED IT HERE AT HOME!!

What are you talking about? Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve assures us that there is this thing called the printing press and that it can be used to print dollars at essentially no cost. So in effect, we do have that kind of money, or will, after it is printed.

136 posted on 01/29/2003 9:33:24 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: weikel
Please don't make me go there.

I'm worried about you weikel.

Seems like there's a few things missing in your education.

Like how babies are made LOL!!!

137 posted on 01/29/2003 9:35:37 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Pining_4_TX
I wonder when Bush is going to be honest and announce he's decided to become a Democrat.

The truth is, pining, that Bush, to lock up his electoral majorities, must pander some of the time to liberals. When he does so, he tries to do is in the most politically devastating way. That's what he was doing. And, hopefully, some of the pander money will really help some who suffer.

138 posted on 01/29/2003 9:36:48 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Jason_b
Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve assures us that there is this thing called the printing press and that it can be used to print dollars at essentially no cost. So in effect, we do have that kind of money, or will, after it is printed.

Yes we can do that, but then dollar will then lose value against other currencies.

Not a wise move at all.

139 posted on 01/29/2003 9:36:55 AM PST by SwordofTruth
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To: Chad Fairbanks
No, they did not bring it on themselves. That being said, and as horrible as it is, the percentage of people who have gotten aids that way is infinitesimal.

The idea of sending 15 billion dollars to fight a losing battle in Africa is stupid in the extreme. If you think they are going to stop having sex with six year olds as the "cure" you are sadly mistaken.

Bush was doing nothing but pandering to the domestic homo population. For me, it was very disappointing.
140 posted on 01/29/2003 9:38:03 AM PST by VMI70
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