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shocking propaganda against France
Fédéraliste

Posted on 01/28/2003 5:05:12 PM PST by PierreEsbaillart

I am very shocked by the current propaganda against France and, in a minor extent, Germany and the EU, which is developing on the American web and media. As we are some "old Europe" countries, let me tell you that some elements of this propaganda remind me of the atmosphere that existed between European peoples of 1914-18 : the Frenchman is the USA's Jew, the traitor, the coward, which plants knives in the back. These are paranoid ideas. Bush has declared "you are with us or you are against us"… your enemies are "evil's axis"… A deeply thought political theory which reminds me of older simplistic speeches. Believe the experience of "old Europe", who knows a lot about the matter, and is not proud of it : your war has already begun, you're under propaganda, and rational arguments don't prevail any more.

France was on the Gulf ten years ago, when Irak invaded its neighbour, and when the coalition was covered by the UN to free Kuwait.

According to the NATO alliance, France made clear during the first hours after the 11th September that it was ready to respect its engagements if necessary.

But with the future Anglo-Saxon crusade against Bagdad, things are very different. The OTAN was a defensive alliance against the Pact of Varsovia. To be an ally of the USA doesn't mean to give its allegiance to the USA. It means, in case of aggression by another state, that solidarity becomes effective. Irak has not yet attacked anyone. NATO should have nothing to do with "preventive wars".

Can't you all simply understand this : as you are so powerful, rich, and influent, it's more courageous for France to refuse to engage in this war. There will be retaliation against France for such an attitude. To send a few planes in the Gulf and drop a few bombs, just like the UK or Italy, would have been so simple for France.

French people are not the stupid blind nationalists that your propaganda is pretending they are. French people know they have lost their weight in international politics. But they don't want to abandon their sovereignty to an other organisation than the European union. Is it so scandalous that they want to be free and independent ?

Well, it's true that "we are not with you". Because this is not a war for Irak's freedom and democracy. This is not even a war against terrorism ; this war will create thousands of new terrorists full of hate for America. A government only makes war for its own interest. This war is for the Iraki oil, and to be more independent of Saudi Arabia, the country of the 11th September terrorists, where Al Qaida money comes from. It's a war to completely change the Middle-East and so the world-wide energetic map. I find logical for the USA to defend their interests. The powerful countries have always acted like this. It's cynic and amoral, but, somehow, "natural". But stop talking about democracy, and the Good against Evil. This is not Starwars. This is not a Tolkien's story.

S. Hussein is a dictator, he has massacred and tortured. He probably owns and surely has owned chemical and biological weapons. But what about Libya, Iran, North Korea, China in Tibet, Russia in Chechnya, Israel in Palestine, etc… ? If democracy in Irak is the aim, why does it become urgent right now ? Were the Afghans free when the Talibans were installed to stabilise a country where pipe-lines had to go through ?

France is a traitor, France is isolated - isolated with the rest of the world except the OTAN. That's what your leaders need to make you believe because they don't want you to know that you have mainly a simple Anglo-Saxon coalition. OTAN : approximately 20 countries with the new eastern members - less France, Germany, and Benelux. The rest of the world : Asia, Africa, South America, the Middle East… And the rest of the world fears you but it doesn't love you.

Is it so necessary for the USA to crush all possibility of counterbalancing power ? Do they complain about the treason of an ally or the independence of one of their own "satellite countries" ? They have succeeded in being hated by the whole Moslem world - which owns the main oil reserves. Is it so enjoyable that they now need to invective and humiliate the western European countries trying to build their political union ? Do they love so much to be hated ?

To conclude, here's the dream your government is currently destroying by its politics in western Europe - it was made by an "old", "disloyal", "nationalist", "chauvinist" Frenchman (even a bit socialist, what a monster ! …) :

"Un jour viendra où vous, France, vous, Russie, vous, Angleterre, vous, Allemagne, vous toutes, nations du continent, sans perdre vos qualités distinctes et votre glorieuse individualité, vous vous fondrez étroitement dans une unité supérieure et vous constituerez la fraternité européenne, absolument comme la Bretagne, la Bourgogne, la Lorraine, l'Alsace se sont fondues dans la France […]. Un jour viendra où l'on verra ces deux groupes immenses, les Etats-Unis d'Amérique, les Etats-Unis d'Europe, placés en face l'un de l'autre, se tendant la main par-dessus les mers, échangeant leurs produits, leur commerce, leur industrie, leurs arts, leurs génies, défrichant le globe, colonisant les déserts, améliorant la création sous le regard du Créateur."

VICTOR HUGO, 1849.

(The day will come when you, France, you, Russia, you, England, you, Germany, all of you, nations of the continent, without losing your distinct qualities and your glorious individualities, you will melt closely into a superior unity and you will constitute the European brotherhood, absolutely as Brittany, Burgundy, Lorraine, Alsace have melted into France […]. The day will come when we'll see those two huge groups, the United States of America, the United States of Europe, facing each other, offering hand beyond the seas, exchanging their products, their commerce, their industry, their arts, their genius, clearing the globe, colonising the deserts, improving the creation under the look of the Creator.)


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1 posted on 01/28/2003 5:05:12 PM PST by PierreEsbaillart
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To: PierreEsbaillart

Bonjouuuuuuuuuuuur, ya cheese eating surrender monkeys!

2 posted on 01/28/2003 5:07:25 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; Poohbah; MadIvan
Shocking Stuff alert.
3 posted on 01/28/2003 5:08:17 PM PST by dighton
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To: PierreEsbaillart
There's too much unreadable Froggish in your post. It may require Le Zot

In the meantime, I shall taunt you with a Big Mac.

4 posted on 01/28/2003 5:08:21 PM PST by Redcloak (Tag, you're it!)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
The French are just cheese eating surrender monkeys. What's the problem?
5 posted on 01/28/2003 5:09:05 PM PST by go star go
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To: PierreEsbaillart; hchutch; Admin Moderator
SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER

SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER

EMERGENCY ACTION MESSAGE FOLLOWS

CODE WORD: JERICHO
DESIGNATOR: COTTONMOUTH
DAY WORD: TRINITY

ZOT ZOT ZOT

EMERGENCY ACTION MESSAGE ENDS


6 posted on 01/28/2003 5:09:11 PM PST by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Sacre' zot!
7 posted on 01/28/2003 5:09:31 PM PST by clintonh8r (It's better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: dighton

Shocking, I say


8 posted on 01/28/2003 5:10:14 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Fire up the 'lectrified squirt gun...
9 posted on 01/28/2003 5:10:39 PM PST by Redcloak (Tag, you're it!)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
French people are not the stupid blind nationalists that your propaganda is pretending they are.

I don't recall anyone saying that. We said they were smelly cowards that drop their guns.

10 posted on 01/28/2003 5:10:54 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: PierreEsbaillart
The answer to this moron's problem is right there in the Hugo quote! Which part of "clearing the globe, colonising the deserts" does he not understand?
11 posted on 01/28/2003 5:11:19 PM PST by Henk
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Q. Why did they ban fireworks at Euro-Disney?

A. 'Cause evertime they went off, the French would try and surrender.

12 posted on 01/28/2003 5:11:29 PM PST by Drango (don't need no stinkin' tag line)
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To: dogbyte12
bla bla bla

BTW, it's the Palestinians in Israel not the other way around. Why not learn some history on the subject and alleviate your burdensome ignorance.

FReegards
13 posted on 01/28/2003 5:11:51 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: PierreEsbaillart
the Frenchman is the USA's Jew

The Jew is still the Frenchman's Jew.

Rever la Palestina, an unbridled love for Yasser Arafat, Thierry Meyssan... the list goes on and on.

14 posted on 01/28/2003 5:12:08 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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To: Richard Kimball
I don't know... maybe we misunderstand the French... maybe they drop their guns and run because they're drunk from all the wine...
15 posted on 01/28/2003 5:12:47 PM PST by go star go
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To: Drango
The french government fell today when Chirac surrendered to a tourist couple from Dusseldorf.

Why are the roads in Paris lined with trees?
A: So the Germans can march in the shade.

And to quote Al Bundy: "It is good to hate the french"

16 posted on 01/28/2003 5:13:02 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dighton; aculeus; Poohbah; hellinahandcart; BlueLancer
It's a war to completely change the Middle-East and so the world-wide energetic map.

If we can just energize the map of the Pact of Barsoom!

17 posted on 01/28/2003 5:13:52 PM PST by general_re (John Carter, formerly of Earth)
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To: Poohbah; Admin Moderator
TURKEY TROTS ON WATER RR WHERE IS THE ZOT RR THE WORLD WONDERS
18 posted on 01/28/2003 5:13:57 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Posted at 7:05 CST.
Banned by 7:30?
19 posted on 01/28/2003 5:13:57 PM PST by babaloo999
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To: PierreEsbaillart
colonising the deserts

Ok,I'll buy that part.
20 posted on 01/28/2003 5:14:12 PM PST by tet68
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