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Park Ranger Cites Militia Leader, Seizes His Gun
The Arizona Daily Star ^ | Monday, January 27, 2003 | Tim Steller

Posted on 01/27/2003 1:25:59 PM PST by Spiff

Park Ranger Cites Militia Leader, Seizes His Gun

By Tim Steller
© 2003 Arizona Daily Star

A National Park Service ranger cited militia leader Chris Simcox Sunday for carrying a loaded weapon and operating without a permit at Coronado National Memorial in southeastern Arizona.

The chief ranger at the park south of Sierra Vista, Thane Weigand, said it appeared Simcox and William Dore were conducting a patrol of the border. "They were doing a special activity inside the park that's not sanctioned by the park," Weigand said.

Simcox, founder of the Tombstone group Civil Homeland Defense, has been conducting citizen patrols of the border area, but he said that's not what he was doing Sunday afternoon. He said he was simply hiking with Dore.

They were driving along Border Road when they came to a fence with a sign that said no vehicles were permitted, Simcox said. So they parked the van and walked past the fence along the road, not knowing the fence was the park boundary, Simcox said.

"Next thing I know, there's somebody waiting in the bushes for us," Simcox said.

It was a park ranger, who said she had been watching the pair, knew who they were and what they were up to, Simcox said. He and Dore were detained for about 3 1/2 hours, and some belongings were seized, Simcox said. Those belongings included a scanner, two two-way radios, his camera, a cell phone and his pistol.

Weigand said the charges against Simcox and Dore are misdemeanors.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arizona; banglist; border; cochisecounty; illegals; immigration; whackjobs
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To: Chemist_Geek
"There. I think my impression of the politically-tin-eared, mouth-breathing libertarian FR poster is spot-on."

Well, the gun-grabbers have us walking on egg shells. Millions of illegals stream across the border every year. Mixed in are probably Al-Qaeda types desperate to get their 72 raisins.

Simcox is doing a good thing considering the fedgov doesn't care about doing it's Constitutional duty.
281 posted on 01/28/2003 10:34:26 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Chemist_Geek
Anarchists, that is... Memo to self: never type at the same time as drinking coffee...
282 posted on 01/28/2003 10:39:41 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
You anarchists go ahead and try to start a revolution against the democratic Republic we have.

I suspect they only bark like that from behind the safety of the monitor.

283 posted on 01/28/2003 10:46:40 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Chemist_Geek
Constitutionally limited Representitive Republic. Democracy is only the device used to put SOME of our representation in place.

Your knowledge is fundamentally flawed.

If you let the small things slide, they will bury you. Is a little cancer OK? Can you be just a little pregnant? Can you be only a bit dead?

Hiding our heads in the sand over small things like this is why the frog pot is nearly at a boil and all the frogs are still present and accounted for.

284 posted on 01/28/2003 11:00:43 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Roscoe
On numerous 2A threads you have asserted that the Second Amendment only prohibits the Federal government from limiting firearm ownership. This was a federal park under federal rules and a federal employee.

Utilizing your flawed understanding, how can you square your prior assertions to this particular case?

***crickets***

Yep... that's what I thought.

285 posted on 01/28/2003 11:02:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse
What does that have do with ownership?
286 posted on 01/28/2003 11:05:40 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
If the fedgov is restricted by the Constitution, as you have stated before... the States are not, then how are they able to pass regulations forbiding carry/possession of firearms on federal lands.

Easy question. If they cannot pass the legislation because they are bound by the Constitution, under what authority were these two guys disarmed by a federal employee?

287 posted on 01/28/2003 11:09:17 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: freddy
Your statement was a lie. Why would I want crow when you have supplied enough baloney to feed a division?
288 posted on 01/28/2003 1:19:38 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Ask one concerned about Global Warming-"Just what the temperature of the world SHOULD be?")
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To: THUNDER ROAD
His statement which I responded to is a LIE. No if ands or buts it is a lie. Now why you would believe such a lie or he would state such a lie I do not know.
289 posted on 01/28/2003 1:21:22 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Ask one concerned about Global Warming-"Just what the temperature of the world SHOULD be?")
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To: Roscoe; dirtboy; tpaine; Dead Corpse
Roscoe says:   "I'd guess #5."

Dirtboy has assured me that his otherwise plain words in post #62 did not mean he was advocating that Mr. Simcox should have "drawn-down" on the Park Ranger and, as I posted in #269, that's good enough for me. Case closed.

However, as to Dead Corpse, not only did he advocate the commission of a violent felony, in post #73, he has confirmed that is his position, is subsequent posts (see for instance #267). So for this reason, I stand behind the condemnation I posted and direct it solely at Dead Corpse. In fact, it bears repeating.

To: Dead Corpse:
Re: Your use of FR to advocate the commission of a violent felony.
Saying something like that on Jim Robinson's forum is just about the stupidest thing I can imagine anyone ever posting here. What could motivate you to say something that idiotic? Are you intentionally trying to get FR shut down? Are you an undercover informant for the BATF? Are you trying to work off a stiff federal criminal sentence by compromising FR posters in exchange for leniency? Are you a disruptor sent over here from DU to discredit FR? Or do you just lack the brains God gave a piss ant?
Now it appears that johnny-come-lately, tpaine, has decided to jump in on the FRay and offer his two cents worth (that should just about tap him out for the day)! The most noteworthy thing he has to offer is (not surprisingly) his total failure to condemn, or even acknowledge, Dead Corpse's advocacy of the commission of a violent felony here on the FreeRepublic forum. For that reason, I would direct tpaine to the condemnation posted above and suggest he read as if it were addressed to him, especially #5! His failure is not really all that shocking either, because in past posts, tpaine has indicated that he is a law unto himself and superior to the Constitution.

And they wonder why they get tagged with the "anarchist" label, LOL!

--Boot Hill

290 posted on 01/28/2003 5:40:43 PM PST by Boot Hill (February 1st)
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To: Cultural Jihad; nopardons
#290

Boot

291 posted on 01/28/2003 5:51:45 PM PST by Boot Hill (February 1st)
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To: Boot Hill
And they wonder why they get tagged with the "anarchist" label

Walter Mitty as an anarchist.

292 posted on 01/28/2003 7:08:56 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Boot Hill
However, as to Dead Corpse, not only did he advocate the commission of a violent felony, in post #73, he has confirmed that is his position, is subsequent posts (see for instance #267). So for this reason, I stand behind the condemnation I posted and direct it solely at Dead Corpse.

Good grief. -- Anyone can read those two posts and see they do not advocate "violent felony". - Bizarro claim.

In fact, it bears repeating. To: Dead Corpse: Re: Your use of FR to advocate the commission of a violent felony. Saying something like that on Jim Robinson's forum is just about the stupidest thing I can imagine anyone ever posting here. What could motivate you to say something that idiotic? Are you intentionally trying to get FR shut down? Are you an undercover informant for the BATF? Are you trying to work off a stiff federal criminal sentence by compromising FR posters in exchange for leniency? Are you a disruptor sent over here from DU to discredit FR? Or do you just lack the brains God gave a piss ant?

Ditto. -- Daft.

Now it appears that johnny-come-lately, tpaine, has decided to jump in on the FRay and offer his two cents worth (that should just about tap him out for the day)! The most noteworthy thing he has to offer is (not surprisingly) his total failure to condemn, or even acknowledge, Dead Corpse's advocacy of the commission of a violent felony here on the FreeRepublic forum. For that reason, I would direct tpaine to the condemnation posted above and suggest he read as if it were addressed to him, especially #5! His failure is not really all that shocking either, because in past posts, tpaine has indicated that he is a law unto himself and superior to the Constitution. And they wonder why they get tagged with the "anarchist" label,
LOL! --Boot Hill 290

Proof positive bootie, that you have serious reality problems. - Thanks for your display.

293 posted on 01/28/2003 7:16:19 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Boot Hill
Two cents seems generous.
294 posted on 01/28/2003 7:26:15 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
You anarchists go ahead and try to start a revolution against the democratic Republic we have.
-geek-


I suspect they only bark like that from behind the safety of the monitor.
283 -roscoe-

Says 'roscoe' who is arguably the most 'anonomous' poster at FR. Never a hint of who actually lurks behind ~his own ~ "safety shield", - the monitor.

Thus, we all ~know~ there is no bite in roscoes constant yip yap barking.
295 posted on 01/28/2003 7:29:32 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
tpaine claims:   "Good grief. -- Anyone can read those two posts and see they do not advocate "violent felony". - Bizarro claim."

"Bizarro"??? Really???

MineralMan:   "What would you have had the gentleman in Arizona do, draw down on the Park Service person?

Dead Corpse:   "Yes."

Dead Corpse explicitly advocated drawing a firearm and pointing it at a federal officer in a threatening manner. Clearly, not only a felony, but a very dangerous felony. What do you think pointing a gun at a federal officer in a threatening manner is, if not a violent felony?

Do you really want to remain on record as supporting Dead Corpse's call for the commission of a violent felony?

--Boot Hill

296 posted on 01/28/2003 7:58:29 PM PST by Boot Hill (February 1st)
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To: Roscoe
Even when inflation is considered.

Boot

297 posted on 01/28/2003 7:59:55 PM PST by Boot Hill (February 1st)
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To: Boot Hill
If we read the prior posts to establish context, we also establish that you are making a bizarre and absurd conclusion.

Thank you for playing your silly game.
298 posted on 01/28/2003 8:13:47 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
tpaine trys to obfuscate:   "If we read the prior posts to establish context, we also establish that you are making a bizarre and absurd conclusion."

Nope, there is no context that can excuse the following display of whacko criminality (nor your defense of it).

MineralMan:   "What would you have had the gentleman in Arizona do, draw down on the Park Service person?"

Dead Corpse:   "Yes."

--Boot Hill
299 posted on 01/28/2003 8:25:17 PM PST by Boot Hill (February 1st)
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To: Boot Hill
Dead Corpse explicitly advocated drawing a firearm and pointing it at a federal officer in a threatening manner.

Were the children of Waco threatened by federal officers when they came in like a gang of rowdy and drunken cowboys with their guns ablazing?

I already know you know they were endangered by federal officers. Anyway, think about it...what sort of threat must this guy have been if he surrendered to a park ranger?

Get serious.

300 posted on 01/28/2003 8:27:26 PM PST by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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