Park Ranger Cites Militia Leader, Seizes His Gun

The Arizona Daily Star ^ | Monday, January 27, 2003 | Tim Steller

[Spiff]

Park Ranger Cites Militia Leader, Seizes His Gun

By Tim Steller
© 2003 Arizona Daily Star

A National Park Service ranger cited militia leader Chris Simcox Sunday for carrying a loaded weapon and operating without a permit at Coronado National Memorial in southeastern Arizona.

The chief ranger at the park south of Sierra Vista, Thane Weigand, said it appeared Simcox and William Dore were conducting a patrol of the border. "They were doing a special activity inside the park that's not sanctioned by the park," Weigand said.

Simcox, founder of the Tombstone group Civil Homeland Defense, has been conducting citizen patrols of the border area, but he said that's not what he was doing Sunday afternoon. He said he was simply hiking with Dore.

They were driving along Border Road when they came to a fence with a sign that said no vehicles were permitted, Simcox said. So they parked the van and walked past the fence along the road, not knowing the fence was the park boundary, Simcox said.

"Next thing I know, there's somebody waiting in the bushes for us," Simcox said.

It was a park ranger, who said she had been watching the pair, knew who they were and what they were up to, Simcox said. He and Dore were detained for about 3 1/2 hours, and some belongings were seized, Simcox said. Those belongings included a scanner, two two-way radios, his camera, a cell phone and his pistol.

Weigand said the charges against Simcox and Dore are misdemeanors.

[Dead Corpse]

Why would a shoot-out have been necessitated? She drew on them. Most criminals will back down if you put up resistance. Two of them, one of her.

Easy math. If the REAL gendarmes had wanted to take issue with it later, then fine... get legal counsel after they had gone through a judge to get a warrent.

[Joe Hadenuf]

My prediction is that Bush, through Ashcroft, will soon start cracking down on these citizen patrols that dare to try to protect the border. The ranchers will be next.

Reminds me of the Californians that tried to protect their state with Prop 187......Same damn thing....

[Ruger1099]

What kills me is the fact that state and national land is government land. Land that is U.S. taxpayer land. On my land, since I'am a taxpayer and a citizen I shouldn't even need a permit to carry.

How can the government say that keeping citizens from carrying on their own land is for the common good?

[Poohbah]

Fortunately, most 2nd Amendment advocates would not have that shootout, either. Neither, I suspect, would Dead Corpse.

My opinion of the loudmouths on this board who talk trash like that is that most fall into one of the following categories:

• Talk big, act small--when the JBTs come to take their guns, they'll be (at best) very subservient to the JBTs, at worst they'll be in the fetal position, peeing their pants;
• Undercover informant looking to get a hard-of-thinking Freeper into trouble;
• Someone play-acting at being a "real conservative" to paint conservatives as potentially violent nutcases

But that's just my opinion...

[Copernicus]

For all to consider...

[Joe Hadenuf]

A National Park Service ranger cited militia leader Chris Simcox Sunday for carrying a loaded weapon and operating without a permit at Coronado National Memorial in southeastern Arizona.

Mean while the Park Ranger idiot can take heart knowing that thousands of illegals will now use the park as a third world staging zone into the U.S.

Hey amigo, cut through and camp out at the Coronado Natioinal Memorial in Arizona! The Park Rangers are pro-illegal alien! Hey amigo, they busted the guys that were trying to catch us, LOL! American's, they so stupid.

And soon amigo, we will rename the park, Presidente Fox National Memorial park.

[duk]

what would have happened if the two just turned their backs and started walking back to the truck?

[justshe]

So where in the Constitution does it give the Federal government the power to make such a regulation? Even gun grabbers like Roscoe affirm that the FedGov is prohibited from passing such restrictions.

And you think I am arguing a position because I posted the Regulation? I simply posted the pertinent National Park Service Regulation to address the difference in Federal lands (ie National Forests admin. under the Agriculture Dept) vs. National Parks (admin. under the Dept of Interior)---and the difference in the firearms regulations between the two.

I am sure you can find an appropriate receptacle for your assumptions re: my position on this issue.

[RKV]

I suspect they would have been shot in the back. The point is, IMHO, that we have to challenge bad laws and challenge bad law enforcers. As my retired LAPD officer brother always tells me - "Job number 1 is to go home alive at the end of your shift."

[duk]

I don't believe true justice can be won in the courts today. A small victory here and there but they are quickly overwhelmed by the myriad of laws which can be liberally interpreted by the enforcers.
This entire issue of gun rights for law abiding citizens should be a "non issue." We are still being provoked by new laws into an ever smaller corral. The Canadaians have had enough and are in open revolt. Can't say I blame them.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Well, the park rangerette could shoot them in the back, or called in for backup and the two hardend criminals would be put into cages. And the business of millions of illegal aliens invading our nation at will, routinely, could return to normal in that specific area.

I wonder if Tom Ridge is considering giving this rangerette a homeland security award.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I don't believe true justice can be won in the courts today. A small victory here and there but they are quickly overwhelmed by the myriad of laws which can be liberally interpreted by the enforcers. This entire issue of gun rights for law abiding citizens should be a "non issue." We are still being provoked by new laws into an ever smaller corral. The Canadaians have had enough and are in open revolt. Can't say I blame them.

Bang! Pow! Boom, Bingo! We have a winner. The courts are incrementally choking off what's left of TOA. (The old America)

[duk]

I SUPPOSE THE ONE QUESTION THAT SUMS UP WHAT I FEEL ABOUT THESE KINDS OF "EPISODES" IS, WHERE DOES ONE DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND SAY NO MORE?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Events will need to take their own, inevitable course.

[Moose4]

National Forests typically allow firearms. I grew up in Virginia and all my high school friends went hunting in the nearby George Washington and Thomas Jefferson National Forests.

National Parks don't. There's "NO HUNTING NEXT 6 MILES" signs on roads crossing through Shenendoah National Park, and when you get on the Skyline Drive that runs through the park, the pamphlet you get tells you that firearms have to be unloaded and stashed.

}:-)4

[Stone Mountain]

She said she knew who they were and was watching and waiting. This agent had an agenda and should be prosecuted.

For what?

[Poohbah]

She said she knew who they were and was watching and waiting. This agent had an agenda and should be prosecuted.

For what?

For a brown-skinned 14th Amendment untermensch "citizen" DARING to enforce unconstitutional laws against Sovereign de jure Preamble Freeborn White Males, that's what! I'm sure they'll file a sui juris case in the local trailer park's Supreme Common Law Court

</whacko goofball "Patriot" rhetoric>

[CyberCowboy777]

For anything to bust two guys she has an ax to grind with.

She said she has a problem with their border patrols.

[Cultural Jihad]

So they parked the van and walked past the fence along the road, not knowing the fence was the park boundary, Simcox said.

File this under "La ignorancia de la ley no es ninguna excusa."

He and Dore were detained for about 3 1/2 hours, and some belongings were seized, Simcox said. Those belongings included a scanner, two two-way radios, his camera, a cell phone and his pistol.

File this one under "Actions Have Consequences" much to the chagrin of the anarcho-militia loons.

[Double Tap]

Do you folks ever stop to consider how your petty name calling makes you look?