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Imam 'instructed British Muslims to kill infidels' (UK HOUSE CLEANING, PART TWO)
The Times ^ | January 23, 2003 | Sam Lister

Posted on 01/22/2003 3:38:25 PM PST by MadIvan

A MUSLIM cleric toured Britain for four years urging audiences to observe the teachings of Osama bin Laden and kill all Jews, Hindus and Westerners by any means available, including chemical and nuclear weapons, a court was told yesterday.

Abdullah el-Faisal, a 39-year-old imam, addressed thousands of young Muslims across the country on their “pressing duty” to learn how to fire guns, fly planes and use missiles in their mission to “kill all unbelievers”.

The Old Bailey was told that Sheikh el-Faisal instructed his followers on ways to murder non-Muslims, a “wonderful” act that would ensure their immediate entry into paradise.

The cleric sold his recorded lectures in specialist Islamic bookshops under titles such as Jihad, No Peace with the Jews, Them and Us and Treachery from Within.

David Perry, for the prosecution, told the court that on Declaration of War and Rules of Jihad, two tapes recorded before September 11, 2001, the sheikh called on his audience to support bin Laden and Mullah Omar, then the leader of Afghanistan, in their jihad against the West.

Mr Perry said that in the first of the two tapes, believed to have been made in 1998, Sheikh el-Faisal had translated a speech by bin Laden which urged his listeners to act against Britain, “the greatest enemy of Islam and Muslims”.

Sheikh el-Faisal, of Stratford, East London, denies five charges of soliciting to commit murder and inciting racial hatred under the Offences Against the Person Act, a rarely used Victorian law which carries a maximum term of life imprisonment.

Just for old times' sake, we should put him in the Tower, too - Ivan

He faces two further charges of using threatening, abusive words or behaviour, one charge of distributing recordings, and one count of possession of material with the intent to incite racial hatred.

The court was told that the softly spoken cleric encouraged his audiences, which often numbered up to 150 people, to join him in debate.

In Jihad, a tape recovered by police after the unrelated arrest of a motorist in Dorset, the sheikh is alleged to have instructed Muslim women to raise their children “with the jihad mentality” by giving them toy guns.

Reminding the jury that the tape had been made shortly after September 11, Mr Perry added that the defendant had stated that “assassination was lawful” and that a Muslim’s primary task was “to lessen the population of the unbelievers”.

In another tape he is alleged to have described the rewards of such an action, saying: “This is how wonderful it is to kill a kuffar (an unbeliever). You crawl on his back and while you are pushing him down into the hellfire, you are going into paradise.”

Asked about the use of nuclear weapons by one young Muslim, Sheikh el-Faisal allegedly replies: “You are not allowed to use nuclear weapons when a country is not 100 per cent disbeliever”, adding that collateral damage, such as to women and children, was permitted “as long as soldiers die too”. The court was told that he cited India as a country deserving of nuclear attack.

The court was told that Sheikh el-Faisal, a Jamaican national, was born William Forest to a Salvation Army family of practising Christians. He converted to Islam at the age of 16 and took a degree in Islamic Studies in Riyadh.

On the instruction of “religious authorities” he then left the Saudi capital to come to Britain, where he attended Brixton Mosque in South London before setting up his own study circles in the mid-1990s in Tower Hamlets.

The prosecution told the court that in police interviews Sheikh el-Faisal had admitted that he had a “problem” with Jews, but had denied encouraging his audiences to kill them. The cleric claimed that his talks came “either directly or indirectly” from the Koran, and that if he was on trial, then so was the holy text.

“The prosecution says that this is emphatically not about the Koran, or a trial of the Koran,” Mr Perry said. “This case is not about the words of Allah. It is about the words spoken by the defendant.”

The bearded cleric, dressed in a white skull-cap, flycollared shirt and gold-braided gown, sat in silence throughout the hearing, taking occasional notes.

Before the opening of the trial, Judge Peter Beaumont, QC, the Common Serjeant of London, decided to ban Jews and Hindus from serving as jurors after Sheikh el-Faisal’s lawyers said that their presence would prevent him from receiving a fair trial. The trial is expected to last three weeks.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; clashofcivilizatio; imam; islam; uk
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To: Fusion
"Should a general uprising then be ignited, there is a strong possibility that this theatre will collapse the US attack on Iraq as left wing peaceniks around the globe rally to the Islamic entente cause."

Never happen.....pretty good thinkin' otherwise.

21 posted on 01/22/2003 7:19:46 PM PST by blam
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To: aristeides
"The court was told that Sheikh el-Faisal, a Jamaican national, was born William Forest to a Salvation Army family of practising Christians. He converted to Islam at the age of 16 and took a degree in Islamic Studies in Riyadh."

Why am I not surprised? More Wahhabi-Nazi crap. I'm no fan of Steven Schwartz, but he was right when he said Wahhabism was a "death-cult".

Wuck the Fahhabis and Fahhabism.
22 posted on 01/22/2003 9:35:05 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Muhammad Abdul Wahhab bl*w camels. We have proof.)
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To: Fusion
The destruction of Britain by the Islamic entente will signal a tragic end to a thousand years of Anglo hegemonism in Europe. The UK is extremely vulnerable to the coming WMD strike on London and subsequent fifth columnist Muslim uprising. What Napoleon and Hitler were unable to do with brute force across the Channel, Islamic entente forces will accomplish with infiltration and a Tet style offensive that opens a new front in The Third World War.

To deny muslims their freedom of religious expression via wmd is surely a hate crime.

23 posted on 01/22/2003 9:44:39 PM PST by Abar
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To: MadIvan
You know when I am screaming through a thread and I see that Union jack I always stop to read your comments because they aer GREAT. It is like just swinging by the club house to hear the latest. And I really appreciate what you have to say. Keep it up!
24 posted on 01/22/2003 9:49:46 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: MadIvan
Put The Tower back to the use it did best. Heads-on-pikes.
25 posted on 01/22/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: MadIvan
BTTT
27 posted on 01/22/2003 10:19:08 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: muleskinner; MadIvan
Heads-on-pikes? Or hangings?! I agree with this notion!!!
28 posted on 01/22/2003 10:54:04 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: MadIvan
Is England becoming suicidal?
29 posted on 01/23/2003 3:57:35 AM PST by DBtoo
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To: knighthawk
This is crazy. "Tolerance" has gotten out of hand.

I can't understand why they let these people advocate the extermination of Jews and westerners.

30 posted on 01/23/2003 3:59:51 AM PST by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
. "Tolerance" has gotten out of hand.

We don't tolerate a disease like polio or syphilis. We don't tolerate rats and roaches in our living areas. Why tolerate potential walking bombs?

31 posted on 01/23/2003 8:32:57 AM PST by oyez (Is this a great country...........Or what?)
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To: DBtoo
The thing is the islamists used to target Jews and Americans only. So Europe never really cared about islamic terrorism.

But now they are finding out that they are becoming targets too.
32 posted on 01/23/2003 1:46:09 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: MadIvan
>>No, Christians will be on the jury.

Not if said Christian is married to a Hindu or Jew....

Here....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/827812/posts?page=11#11
33 posted on 01/23/2003 3:10:12 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: MadIvan
When you give citizenship to terrorists what can you expect?

This is obviously a self-inflicted problem.

What shameless hypocrisy. If police in another country were to search a mosque for weapons, the occupant of 10 Downing
would be up in arms trying to score points with the Islamic Jihad world.

None of this will stop Britain from continuing to provide asylum to terrorists in an effort to secure more dirty deals.
34 posted on 01/23/2003 3:24:09 PM PST by Ichabod Walrus
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To: Ichabod Walrus
What shameless hypocrisy. If police in another country were to search a mosque for weapons, the occupant of 10 Downing would be up in arms trying to score points with the Islamic Jihad world

Cite and source one time this ever occured. I am no fan of Blair, but you're bordering on hysteria.

Ivan

35 posted on 01/23/2003 3:25:42 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
YOu're right. The injans have raided mosques in Kashmir, going after jihadis and weapons and even engaging in firefights. Apart from some proforma cycle of violence comments, there weren't any complaints.
36 posted on 01/23/2003 3:42:16 PM PST by swarthyguy
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