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Mexico Takes U.S. to World Court - Seeks to Block US Executions
BBC News ^ | 21 Jan, 2003 | BBC News

Posted on 01/21/2003 6:34:03 AM PST by Happy2BMe

Mexico has repeatedly argued with the US over executions

Mexico has asked the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague to stop the United States from executing dozens of Mexicans held on death row.

The Mexican ambassador in The Hague said the dispute was not about the US' right to execute criminals, but about alleged violation of the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

Mexico wants its nationals to be retried, arguing that the US failed to inform the prisoners of their right to access to consular officials.

Along with other American allies, Mexico has repeatedly voiced its concerns over the death penalty in the US.

The latest move comes amid renewed debate about executions, after the outgoing governor of Illinois reduced the sentences of all the state's death row inmates to life imprisonment.

The ICJ's rulings - which sometimes run over a period of years - are binding, but the court has no power to enforce them.

Presidential protest

At the start of the hearing, Mexican counsel Juan Manuel Gomez Robledo told the court that the rights of Mexican nationals under the Vienna Convention were systematically breached by US authorities.

"These repeated violations are particularly perturbing given that they have as a consequence the sentencing of an individual to death," he said.

In a written application, Mexico argued that communication with consular officials could "make the difference between life and death" for Mexicans facing capital punishment.

Mexican officials are seeking an injunction to stop the US from executing any Mexicans while the court considers the arguments on both sides.

Mexico had originally requested a stay of execution for 54 of its nationals, but said on Tuesday that three of them had had their sentences commuted by the governor of Illinois earlier this month.

The death penalty has been a source of tension between Mexico and the US.

Last year, Mexican President Vicente Fox cancelled his visit to the US over Washington's refusal to stop the execution of a Mexican prisoner.

German precedent

The latest case echoes a previous ruling by the ICJ in June 2001 involving the La Grand brothers, two German nationals who were executed in the US in 1999.

The court found that the US had denied the brothers their right to contact the German consulate.

It ordered the US not to go ahead with the execution of Walter La Grand, whose brother Karl had already been put to death.

But Walter was executed nevertheless.


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KEYWORDS: court; executions; icc; icj; mexico; sovereignty
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Notice how the ICJ is bringing in Germany to back up Mexico's position?

Wonder if Mexico is sorry now they never got the Zimmerman Letter?

1 posted on 01/21/2003 6:34:03 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
Mexico is a major pest.
2 posted on 01/21/2003 6:35:08 AM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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3 posted on 01/21/2003 6:35:38 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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Gee, does that mean I'll still have all my "US rights" when down in Mexico and break one of their laws and get caught???

Oh ya, that's different... No doubt...
4 posted on 01/21/2003 6:38:39 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: Happy2BMe
"The court found that the US had denied the brothers their right to contact the German consulate.

It ordered the US not to go ahead with the execution of Walter La Grand, whose brother Karl had already been put to death.

But Walter was executed nevertheless."


HA ! HA ! HA!

Here's to hopeing the administration continues to tell the ICJ to go take a flying leap. In fact I wouldn't even bother sending anyone to refute the charges, just let them make their ruling and ignore it.


5 posted on 01/21/2003 6:39:27 AM PST by apillar
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To: Happy2BMe
I suppose it's inconsequential to ask what the Mexicans and two Germans did to deserve the death penalty.

You also have to love the ICJ's binding, yet unenforcable ruling here. Guess they'll have to have a regime change in Washington to get their way!(sarc)

6 posted on 01/21/2003 6:45:58 AM PST by FreeCanuckistan
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To: Happy2BMe
Power pi$$ing contest over truth. This trial was taking place and the Mexican government did not send lawyers and could care less and never thought itself responsible for the murders these guys did in the US.

So as long as Mexico does not offer reparations or the World Court does not, the case is moot.

Last but not least, every day truth is eroded in this great nation because murderers clog up our system. Put them to death for sake of truth once we discover they are guilty.
7 posted on 01/21/2003 6:48:52 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Happy2BMe
I actually agree with the notion that the U.S. should not execute foreign nationals.

However, this goes both ways -- and these coutries sure as hell aren't going to like the flip side of it.

Any foreign national who is arrested in the U.S. and charged with a crime must also be charged with an act of war against the U.S. and should be treated as a war criminal. The case will be heard in a U.S. military court, after which the defendant will be either deported to his country of origin (if he is innocent) or held as a prisoner of war (if he is found guilty).

And 1,000 criminal convictions of foreign nationals from a single country in a year will be considered an automatic declaration of war against the U.S. on the part of that country.

Put a system like that in place, and there will no longer be any need to guard the borders. Vincente Fox will be out there himself digging a 500 foot-deep trench from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico.

With a spoon.

8 posted on 01/21/2003 6:56:24 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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Put a system like that in place, and there will no longer be any need to guard the borders. Vincente Fox will be out there himself digging a 500 foot-deep trench from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico. With a spoon.

[snortle] Sounds like a plan...

I think I'd be more likely to support "foreign rights" in this context if those countries actually had justice systems analogous to ours. As long as Mexico, for example, retains its wild west pretense to law and order, I have no regard for anything its leaders have to say... They should be thanking us for cleaning out their pond scum; obviously, they're just looking for something to get b!tchy about...

9 posted on 01/21/2003 7:03:22 AM PST by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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Mexico....Seeks to Block US Executions

That's because the Mexican Gov't is such a compassionate, caring, and principled bunch.....</ sarcasm>

Is there any more room in the Axis of Evil?

Round up, deport, and then build a wall across the whole length of our border that makes the Great Wall of China look amemic by comparison. ....And electrify it. Too expensive, you say? Not if we use Mexican nationals currently in U.S. prisons as slave labor.

10 posted on 01/21/2003 7:15:18 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (The Silver & Black is back)
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All...

Both were executed for capital murder in a bank robbery. Both had been "long-time" residents of the U.S. prior to the murder, but neither of them ever became American citizens.

Case of Karl LaGrand

Case of Walter LaGrand

ICJ Charges U.S. in violation of International Law

LaGrand and the ICJ Hogwash

11 posted on 01/21/2003 7:18:34 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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12 posted on 01/21/2003 7:20:54 AM PST by Mo1 (Support Free Republic and become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Happy2BMe
As I posted on yesterday's thread:

Simple solution:

Deport all illegal immigrants NOW! Followed by all legal Mexican immigrants next week. If the illegals don't like it, they can blame Fox.

13 posted on 01/21/2003 7:57:40 AM PST by Mr_Magoo (Single, Available, and Easy)
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That's what I've been saying for a long time.
At some point immigration will have to be stopped and the
borders sealed against illegals.
wishfull thinking I guess.
14 posted on 01/21/2003 8:42:22 AM PST by squibs
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To: Happy2BMe
Note to Mexico: keep your citizens in your own stinking corrupt country and you won't need to worry about their execution here.
15 posted on 01/21/2003 8:55:58 AM PST by doug from upland (May the Clintons live their remaining days in orange jumpsuits)
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To: Support Free Republic
mine the border bump
16 posted on 01/21/2003 9:36:18 AM PST by alphadog (die commie scum)
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To: Happy2BMe
US to Mexico...Pound Sand!
17 posted on 01/21/2003 12:02:18 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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Why we (and the Bush administration) continue to accomidate both economically and demographically these idjits is beyond me.
18 posted on 01/21/2003 12:05:31 PM PST by DoctorMichael (Useful Idiots Abound.)
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Why we (and the Bush administration) continue to accomidate both economically and demographically these idjits is beyond me.

New World order..no borders ..USA becomes like most of the rest of the hemisphere ..a banana Republic..

The US constitution will be basically null and void when that the open borders policy is accepted ..

Big news today Hispanics (thanks to the Bushes) are now the largest minority in the US..

19 posted on 01/21/2003 12:11:58 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Happy2BMe
We should promise not to execute anymore Mexicans as long as we don't recieve anymore Mexicans.

NEWSFLASH: The greatest country in the world has laws.

20 posted on 01/21/2003 12:15:10 PM PST by pulaskibush
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