Penn & Teller ridicule Christ's crucifixion

WorldNetDaily ^ | Posted: January 20, 2003 | unknown

[yendu bwam]

Hitler was inspired to carry out his monstrous acts by the atheist madman Nietzsche who destested Christianity almost as much as jlogajan does.

Right, Kevin Curry! Nietzsche went crazy in his rejection of God. We should pray for better for jlogajan.

[yendu bwam]

I would say it takes a great deal of energy to practice atheism. Intellectually honest atheists have a lot of problems to solve for.

You're right. It is hard work to pick moral axioms from nowhere, to live by them consistently, to defend them and to have faith in them. What's hardest is to discover later in life that one has been walking on an empty and lonely path.

[yendu bwam]

What Penn & Teller did was out of hatred, what else could it be? It satisfied a desire to "get back" at Christians (God) in their own little way. Is that not the way it works? You strike out to mask or to sooth a pain or a longing? Maybe a fear of inadequacies or a rebellion to "certain" rules?

It is a form of hatred to mock those who believe in Him who taught all of us to love one another (even our enemies).

[yendu bwam]

Absolutes are a basis of Freedom.

Well said, CyberCowboy777.

[yendu bwam]

I saw a show in which Penn gave a tour of his home. In one room he, keeps several jars of deformed, stillborm fetuses/babies.

Indeed, we should pray for him. Perhaps, like the Grinch, his heart will grow several sizes larger.

[yendu bwam]

I would invite all Christians to pray for Penn and Teller ...

We are called to do so...

[yendu bwam]

But a big bravo to the decent people who walked out,

You bet!

[oyez]

And they say Christians are intolerant.

[Skooz]

Hitler was inspired to carry out his monstrous acts by the atheist madman Nietzsche who destested Christianity almost as much as jlogajan does.

Almost ......... LOL! True, very true.

[fight_truth_decay]

Thing is they will get Press from this ...bad press is good press for them..better than NO press.

[CyberCowboy777]

Have you read "The Absolutes: Freedom's Only Hope" by James Robinson?

I have the book but have not read it yet. I am still reading "Modern Fascism: Liquidating the Judeo-Christian World View" by Gene Edwards Veith, Jr. for the second time.

I understand that Mr. Robinson is a friend of Presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. If these men account him as a friend, I look forward to reading his work.

[HHFi]

Penn & Teller are huge acolytes of James Randi, who is himself an atheist. I'm not an atheist, but I am a longtime member of a local skeptics' group and have met them all. I am the proud owner of an autographed copy of Randi's "Flim-Flam."

"South Park" does go overboard with the potty humor at times, but the recent episode where they gutted John Edward, showed exactly how he does his stupid act, then had space aliens arrive to give him the award for "Biggest Douche In The Universe" was, IMHO, one of the greatest things ever shown on TV.

[CyberCowboy777]

The point of the comparisons is to show the "outcome" and\or the allowed behavior stemming from various "religions" and the built upon ideologies. Though Christians do not hate anyone who subscribes to any of these “religions”, we will use history to make valid and vital point.

No man can say that he is a Christian and then kill 30 million people. It is simply impossible; to do so contradicts the very basis of the teachings of Jesus.

He can however be entirely honest if he calls himself an atheist or a pagan. There are no absolutes in either "religion" and either of which have been the foundation of the very ideologies that drove men like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Genghis Kahn and others.

This point is valid in discussions of politics, society, religion, ideology and history. Especially now when so many make claims of "Christian Atrocities" in an effort to debunk, belittle or remove foundation from an argument. Which is what one of the individuals defending Penn & Teller did.

The crutch of the matter is the turn from the Moral Absolutes that the Judeo-Christian worldview brought the world. Without an Absolute Moral Authority we by default must ascribe to a relativism that allows anything and everything. Man only has his own mind to guide himself (and others?) when God is removed from the equation. That may seem like a decent alternative when you consider your own values but when you use logic and history to consider the actual outcome of such a ideology you must in all honesty concede that atheism and paganism lead to nothing but pain and sorrow for a society.

Consider this: if man uses only himself as the authority on moral issues who is to say the ideas of Hitler are wrong? Many agreed with Hitler and in a world of moral relativism you only need garner support to promote an idea. By mans own nature some will agree and some will not, each with their own self-interest. You may disagree with Hitler but you have no Absolute Authority to contradict him. You only have your own idea of morality and that has no more value that Hitler’s view. Many may agree with you but it is still only the ideas of men, so you battle to resolve the issue at hand but never place finality on the issue of right and wrong. It becomes even more difficult if you believe all men are equal. Who then decides that one man’s ideas is better than another’s? Do you trust popular opinion or the opinion of learned men? Both have been proven to fail. The problem with fascism and communism is at the DNA of the ideology; absence of Moral Absolute’s outside man himself.

Man cannot set his own standards of morality. It is the very nature of God that sets Absolutes that we must rely. And that very same nature allows for some to “not believe” and yet reap the benefits.

This is all very well described and ascribed too by the Founding Fathers of this Great Nation, even those few Deists who granted agreement to the concept though not believing in the “Christ”. This foundation is also why Jews the world over extended help from abroad in our early struggle for Liberty.
This because the model of a Transcendent God as the Creator of man that through authorship legitimately maintains Absolute Moral Authority is the only proven valid foundation.

[patriot5186]

It's not too late. You don't HAVE to BURN IN HELL, unless you particularly WANT to.

it's too late. they're just a carnie act meant for Hell.

[CyberCowboy777]

Your opinions on #93?

[xm177e2]

Or did he mean Islam can be dangerous?

The politically-correct way to bash Islam is to bash Christianity first.

[Colorado Doug]

I can't wait for them to do something similar with Mohammed. I am pleased that much of the crowd left.

[Kevin Curry]

Cogent and well-stated.

Atheism has no genuine moral standards apart from utilitarianism and hedonism. Individual atheists may ascribe to moral truths that transcend utilitarianism and hedonism, but they are borrowed moral truths. There is no sure-founded well-dug well in atheism from which to draw moral truths.

The most careful and thoughtful atheist thinkers and philosophers, such as Peter Singer, pretend to nothing beyond utilitariansim and hedonism. They have seen atheism clearly in its wretched, spare poverty of moral thought and hold its dour vision honest.

[F16Fighter]

"Sexual perverts, too. Teller's a homo and I have an idea that Penn is omnisexual..."

LOL -- well while it's obvious that Penn delights in sexual relations outside his own species, Teller impresses me as the perfect eunuch.

[jlogajan]

who destested Christianity almost as much as jlogajan does.

Nonsense. Most Christians are as inoffensive as New Agers. Those fundamentalists are pretty awful, though.

If more New Ager's posted here I would be reaming their silly notions as well.

Don't even get me started on the deadly Islamic fundamentalists now out and about trying to use WMD on anything that moves.

No, I get along with modern Christians as well as any goofy religion, be it Ufo worshipers or whatever.

It is just the ones that want to seize state power, or make us pay for their practices or public displays, or follow their dictates that rub me the wrong way. I don't care if they are Christian, Budhist, New Age, Islamic or Atheist -- if they want to use guns to enforce their religious views -- they'll get fire in return.