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Police, resident clash in dispute
Dayton Daily News ^ | 1/08/2003 | Mara Lee

Posted on 01/17/2003 8:38:44 AM PST by grasshopper2

Police, resident clash in dispute Kettering woman walking dogs lands in handcuffs

By Mara Lee e-mail address: mara_lee@coxohio.com Dayton Daily News

KETTERING | A 66-year-old woman taking her dogs for a walk ended up in jail for 90 minutes after getting into a dispute with a patrol officer.

She was charged with walking in the street, assault on a police officer and obstructing official business. She was released on her own recognizance. But Kettering police said the case could have been avoided if the woman had cooperated during the encounter.

Geraldine Hemmert-Emmons, who lives on Braddock Street in Kettering, was walking her two dogs on her street Sunday night after finding the sidewalk slippery. She said she yelled at a passing car going too fast. The car was Officer Jerry Csizma's cruiser.

Both say he told her to get out of the street, and she refused. Both agree she challenged him to give her a ticket. Csizma and Hemmert-Emmons have different accounts of what happened next.

In his report, Csizma, a 25-year veteran, said she refused to identify herself, making a citation impossible. Csizma's report states he drove around the block, and when he returned she was still in the street. After warning her again, he called for backup, Officer Adam Walker, who corroborated Csizma's account.

The report states she refused to identify herself four times even as he threatened to arrest her.

Hemmert-Emmons said while being taken into custody, Csizma put his hand in her pants pocket while frisking her. The police reports state Csizma handcuffed her and checked her coat pockets.

Hemmert-Emmons, who said she was not handcuffed yet, said, “ ‘Stop doing that,’ and I pushed him. That's when he said: 'You're under arrest.' He threw me down in the snow, pushed me very hard."

The police reports state she kicked him in the shin and Csizma pulled her to the ground to stop the scuffle.

Police department spokesman Glen Evans said that action is “a reasonable tactic that we use."

Hemmert-Emmons' refusal to identify herself led to the arrest, Evans said. "If she's not going to cooperate, our options are limited," he said. "She put herself in a difficult situation."

Evans said the obstruction charge stemmed from disobeying the direct order, refusing to give her name, and trying to walk away from the officers. He said it was unlikely the assault charge would be a felony.

Hemmert-Emmons made and then canceled an appointment to file an official complaint. Evans said internal affairs would investigate, but it would be difficult without her help.

Csizma's most recent performance review said: "Patrolman Csizma is very patient when handling complaints from citizens. . . . He maintains a calming presence when confronted with potentially explosive situations and effectively deals with angry or excited persons."

His personnel file includes 24 thank-you notes, a recent commendation for using a taser to subdue an agitated man with a knife and a 1997 excessive-force reprimand for hitting a fleeing suspect on the head with a flashlight, causing a minor injury.

Contact Mara Lee at 225-2420 or mara_lee@coxohio.com

[From the Dayton Daily News: 01.08.2003]


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
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So now you must provide id just to walk your dog?
1 posted on 01/17/2003 8:38:44 AM PST by grasshopper2
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2 posted on 01/17/2003 8:40:40 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: grasshopper2
So now you must provide id just to walk your dog?

No young Grasshoppah, you give ID when the cop asks for it, period. Thats the way it has always been. In this story I take the cops side. Police bashing has gone too far.

3 posted on 01/17/2003 8:42:38 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: grasshopper2
Yep. Ya gotta get down and lick Massa's boots real good. If'n ya give him any backtalk, esspect ta git yer head stomped on!
4 posted on 01/17/2003 8:43:54 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: grasshopper2
He should have shot BOTH dogs and THEN busted her butt.

What is this country coming to when people don't immediately obey and cooperate with authorities?

5 posted on 01/17/2003 8:45:08 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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"...So now you must provide id just to walk your dog?..."

Not just that...

You'll do this, and you'll like doing this.

Do you UNDERSTAND, citizen?

6 posted on 01/17/2003 8:45:11 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: cardinal4
No young Grasshoppah, you give ID when the cop asks for it, period.

Wrong. The Supreme Court disagrees with you. We don't have to show our "papers" to the police. We don't even have to carry them with us. You need to bone up on your Constitutional law.

7 posted on 01/17/2003 8:45:19 AM PST by Henrietta
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To: cardinal4
No young Grasshoppah, you give ID when the cop asks for it, period.

And then lick his boots.

8 posted on 01/17/2003 8:45:28 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: cardinal4
You are NOT required to give cops id when asked for it or even speak to them. However in this case the id was asked for so the officer could issue a citation and so she was required to respond.
9 posted on 01/17/2003 8:46:14 AM PST by free me
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To: grasshopper2
Sounds like it couldn't have happened to a nicer person !
10 posted on 01/17/2003 8:47:21 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: grasshopper2
I think Hemmert-Emmons should be arrested for having too many Mmmms in her name.


11 posted on 01/17/2003 8:47:24 AM PST by EggsAckley
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When you're committing a minor infraction, like walking in the street...yeah, you need to identify yourself.
12 posted on 01/17/2003 8:47:59 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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"What is this country coming to when people don't immediately obey and cooperate with authorities?"

You gotta be kidding me, right? Oh, you were being sarcastic. If I recall, that was a Stalin quote. --- Good one. ;-)

13 posted on 01/17/2003 8:49:15 AM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: cardinal4
Are you saying that it has always been illegal to leave your home without carrying id?
14 posted on 01/17/2003 8:50:23 AM PST by candeee
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To: grasshopper2
"If she's not going to cooperate, our options are limited,"

Resistance is futile grandma!

15 posted on 01/17/2003 8:50:33 AM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: free me
".......and so she was required to respond."

That answer is incorrect. You are the weakest link. :-o

16 posted on 01/17/2003 8:51:29 AM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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He called FOR BACK-UP??? for a 66 yr old woman and her dog.Alot of small towns (one I live in in Ohio) have the local Barney Fife cops one patrol carred town policed like nazi's. A HUNDRED dollar fine for not stopping over 15 seconds at a small,small, town stop sign with ZERO traffic. Also arrests of a man walking up a hill for public intoxication because he chose to walk home from the bar instead of drinking and driving so he left his car at the small town's only wee little bar.
17 posted on 01/17/2003 8:51:37 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: StriperSniper
Generally, if you refuse to cooperate with an officer giving you a citation for an infraction, you're just buying yourself more problems.

This woman wanted a fight. She got a fight. Why isn't she happy?
18 posted on 01/17/2003 8:51:53 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: free me
The point is, once you refuse, you have given Law Enforcement the right to take the situation to the next step. This cop even let her go, came back and saw her still in the street, and arrested her. Seven out ten situations that police are summoned to can resolved peacefully, if everyone cooperates. This woman felt she was above walking on the sidewalk and then above producing ID. The age old adage comes to mind; Act like an A**hole, get treated like one. I have no time for police bashing. Ill bet when this lady hears a strange noise in her house at night, the first call will be to the same cop she dissed. Just My opinion.
19 posted on 01/17/2003 8:51:53 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: grasshopper2
She should just be lucky the JBT didn't shoot her dog.
20 posted on 01/17/2003 8:52:05 AM PST by Mulder
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