New Study Suggests Missing Link That Explains How Dinosaurs Learned To Fly

National Science Foundation Press Release ^ | January 16, 2003 | Kenneth Dial

[ClearCase_guy]

It IS possible to be a scientist and a Christian, you know.

Actually, that was my point.

A Christian places Faith as the starting point of his knowledge. The Christian believes a priori that God exists. From there, the Christian can explore the natural world and learn a great deal. Perhaps even prove Evolution.

A scientist places Faith as the starting point of his knowledge. The scientist believes a priori that God does not exist. From there, the scientist can explore the natural world and be confused by things which have supernatural explanations. Perhaps including Evolution.

Christians can cover both natural and supernatural fields. Scientists are handicapped because they can only do half the job. Unless they are Christians first and scientists second.

[AndrewC]

Those are nice videos, but what is more likely, an animal displaying a prototypical behavior or an "armless" animal flapping the appendages not being used for anything else to help it climb up an incline?

Finally, I chuckle at this comment.

and adult birds used their wings literally to defy gravity.

What are wings for?

[Dimensio]

Two words:
False Dichotomy.

[Dimensio]

The scientist believes a priori that God does not exist.

Strawman.

[Junior]

If the critter was two-legged to begin with, it does make sense...

[AndrewC]

If the critter was two-legged to begin with, it does make sense...

I challenge you to a scamper up a 60 degree slope. You run and flap your arms. I, being two-legged, will use my arms and hands to assist my running ascent. Guess who will get higher, faster.

Now, strap on big fans on all our arms and put mittens on our hands. Running the same race and using the same techniques who will get higher, faster?

[Junior]

You have brachiating arms (all primates do) -- as you are descended from a climber. The arms of the rootstock of birds do not have the range of motion to climb like that as it was not a climber. Evolution only works with what it has.

[ClearCase_guy]

False Dichotomy.

Strawman

Your arguments against my position are well-thought out and thorough. Concise and cogent -- you seem to have got to the heart of my errors. I have tried to articulate and explain my position in an adult fashion -- but I crumble before your rapier-like intelligence. I can come up with no reposte. No rejoinder. I shall slink away into darkness, having been thoroughly defeated by your well-crafted logic and skillfully delivered argument.

Bravo!

[Dimensio]

What's the point of constructing a grand essay against your position when your position amounts to appeals to logical fallacies? You've created a false dilemma of either a Christian worldview (possibly Biblical literalist, which is even more narrow) or complete atheistic naturalism. There are other viewpoints. Your statement ignored anything other than the narrow definitions which you gave, making them logically meaningless.

[AndrewC]

You have brachiating arms (all primates do) -- as you are descended from a climber.

Well then graft on whatever kind of arm you want short of a lift producing arm and have the same contest. I believe all 2-legged dinosaurs grasped something.

[lepton]

Last week, I saw video of a bird called a cassawary

The place the penguins that taught the other penguins to do laps all day had a cassawarry. BIG irritable bird.

[lepton]

Last week, I saw video of a bird called a cassawary

The place the penguins that taught the other penguins to do laps all day came from had a cassawarry. BIG irritable bird.

[Heyworth]

The place the penguins that taught the other penguins to do laps all day had a cassawarry. BIG irritable bird.

The current issue of "Outside" magazine has an article about cassawarys. It tells about a busload of Japanese tourists trapped in their bus by one, and about a group of them totalling several cars in a parking lot by pecking at them. Apparently they get particularly cranky after eating fermented berries.

The same issue also has a good piece about the battlelines at 21,000 feet between the Pakistanis and the Indians--a low grade war at very high altitude. More guys are killed by cold, avalanches, and edema than by the enemy.

[lepton]

I got to see the Cassowary (a young one, only about 3 years old), and an Andean Condor. The Condor took off after the Cassowary, and the Cassowary started jumping up in the air trying to do a gutting attack with its claws. The trainer had to push off the birds chest with its hands when it jumped to drive the Cassowary back.

[ToTheStars]

I'm not a scientist. I don't have that much Faith.

Then you must not be a very good Christian either...because a true walk with God requires a tremendous amount of faith.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Phaedrus]

I shall slink away into darkness, having been thoroughly defeated by your well-crafted logic and skillfully delivered argument.

LOL! ... and a bow in your direction.

[txhurl]

I wish someone could tell me why I had a tail as long as my body when I was -.5 years old. Plus I have this tailbone. But I don't have a tail. Yet. Is it just me? Whazzup?

[Eaker]

Psalm 19 really says all of that stuff about scientists??

What does it say about TV and can openers?

rolling (@v@)

Stay safe; stay armed.
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[Eaker]

I wish someone could tell me why I had a tail as long as my body when I was -.5 years old.

Have you asked your mom?

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