Bird wings can help keep birds down, not up (BREAKING)

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[stanz]

A stretch. Sounds like circular reasoning to me.

[PatrickHenry]

I've half a mind to ping some libertarians and sic 'em on you ;)

Please don't. I've got all the controversies I can handle right here.

[slimer]

The evolution of bird flight has proved controversial for more than a century

The whole theory of evilution has been controversial from the beginning, since there has not been one shred of evidence of any creature "evolving" into something else. Creatures naturally adapt to their environment but nothing has "evolved" yet.

[whattajoke]

Creatures naturally adapt to their environment but nothing has "evolved" yet.

Whaaaa? That is downright Clintonian!

[whattajoke]

Here's a novel thought: maybe they were designed that way by an intelligent being that designed everything else around us. Genesis 1:20-21

Not really a "novel" thought, as this is actually an "arcane" thought which prevailed for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Since then, science and knowledge has improved rendering Genesis 1:20-21 to the realm of, "nice story, no merit."

[Fiddlstix]

It's easy; getting it past the screeners at the airport is the hard thing. :^))

ROFL

[LiteKeeper]

Wrong answer. This is simply not true. And to say so, is to ignore a massive amount of work that has gone on in the last few years. However, judging from your response, I doubt that I could convince you otherwise, and therefore, do not intend to continue this thread.

[whattajoke]

In the interest of furthering my knowledge, and since I'm always on the lookout to learn new things, I'd like you to reconsider quitting responding to me. I would absolutely love to read some of the "massive amount of work" in the area of intelligent design. Still, the Genesis account can't really be considered "novel," can it?

[LiteKeeper]

The word "novel" was being used in an ironic way...since it has been around for a very long time, certainly longer than "evolutionary philosophy" or "humanism," the by product of evolution.

Preliminary question, what kind of evidence would you consider viable? My experience has been that when I identify research and evidence, it is passed off, or dismissed as fictional, or an excuse for foisting a religious view on others. So, what would it take to have you consider, with an open mind, any evidence that I might present?

[LiteKeeper]

Please read this article re: bird evolution

More later.

[LiteKeeper]

This is another: Bird Evolution

[LiteKeeper]

Creation: Where's the proof?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Just like Indy race cars. The put wings on the cars to hold them closer to the ground. Later the wings started lifting the cars and causing accidents so the wings were clipped. Same with skirts.

[PatrickHenry]

End-of-session placemarker.

[jennyp]

The whole theory of evilution has been controversial from the beginning, since there has not been one shred of evidence of any creature "evolving" into something else. Creatures naturally adapt to their environment but nothing has "evolved" yet.

Actually, this study may turn out to be very significant, since it demonstrates a very good advantage for a proto-bird to have feathered wings, and also demonstrates how close the wings-as-spoiler functionality morphs into the wings-as-lift functionality:

Also, as the birds start running up steeper inclines, "you can see once they run up vertically, they've attained the wing movement needed for flight," Dial said. Instead of beating their wings horizontally, with flapping directed from head to tail, the wings then shift to going up and down.