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Bird wings can help keep birds down, not up (BREAKING)
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Posted on 01/17/2003 6:22:48 AM PST by Dallas

MISSOULA, Mont., Jan. 16 (UPI) -- Instead of wings evolving for birds to fly with, findings released Thursday suggest primeval birds actually started flapping to stay closer to the ground.

Scientists investigating baby partridges found their little stubby wings might not help them fly at first, but flapping their wings initially helps press their feet against the ground to improve traction.

"By looking at these little ungainly creatures" as well as their chicken and turkey relatives, "you might glimpse the strategies involved in the origins of flight," lead researcher Ken Dial, vertebrate biologist at the University of Montana, told United Press International.

The evolution of bird flight has proved controversial for more than a century, with two opposing theories dividing the playing field.

One school, the so-called arboreal theory, argues flight originated with tree-dwelling creatures that developed gliding wings to soften landings. The other, cursorial, theory holds ground-dwellers evolved wings to help improve running and took off from there.

"Both models have run into an impasses despite extraordinary fossil finds," Dial explained. "There's a problem in explaining how the intermediate forms leading up to flight are selected for. How do you get an animal with little dinky wings to fly?"

Dial started looking at birds that might have possessed similar habits to their ancestors, ground-dwellers such as pheasants, quail, chickens, partridges and turkeys. "After they're born, these birds, probably like most of the dinosaurs, hit the ground running," he said. "Their eyes are open, legs are well-developed. They're not like most birds, which are raised in elevated nests parents build, which aren't really a proper model."

These birds frequently beat their stubby wings when walking and running up slopes, and Dial wanted to know why.

Experiments revealed partridges whose flight feathers had been gently plucked out at birth could not scuttle up slopes as steep as untouched birds, while partridges with feathers trimmed with scissors fared somewhere in-between.

Then Dial, along with his adolescent son now entering college, used high-speed cameras to study partridges scaling inclines. They also strapped accelerometers on the birds' backs to measure lift forces.

In findings reported in the Jan. 17 issue of the journal Science, Dial's analysis reveals the partridges "beat their wings as fast as they can, not to lift them as we thought like a wing to the heavens, but to stick them to the ground like a spoiler on a race car," he said.

Also, as the birds start running up steeper inclines, "you can see once they run up vertically, they've attained the wing movement needed for flight," Dial said. Instead of beating their wings horizontally, with flapping directed from head to tail, the wings then shift to going up and down.

Dial suggests ground-dwelling birds evolved flapping to climb slopes. "They're called ground birds, but they prefer to be up high when not feeding on the ground, to go to high vantage points, a bale of hay or a rock or tree, I guess to seek refuge from predators," he said. From there, flapping might have developed into flight.

He said he now intends to analyze the interaction of forces between birds and the ground and to study flapping runs in creatures such as ostriches.

"Dial has provided a realistic behavior actually used by ground-dwelling birds that wasn't really appreciated before," said vertebrate biomechanist Andrew Biewener, director of Harvard University's Concord Field Station in Bedford, Mass. "The fact that this shows you can obtain some benefit even in the intermediate stages of evolving a flapping airfoil is a significant contribution."

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To: Dallas
A stretch. Sounds like circular reasoning to me.
21 posted on 01/17/2003 9:31:41 AM PST by stanz
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To: general_re
I've half a mind to ping some libertarians and sic 'em on you ;)

Please don't. I've got all the controversies I can handle right here.

22 posted on 01/17/2003 9:43:15 AM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: Dallas
The evolution of bird flight has proved controversial for more than a century

The whole theory of evilution has been controversial from the beginning, since there has not been one shred of evidence of any creature "evolving" into something else. Creatures naturally adapt to their environment but nothing has "evolved" yet.

23 posted on 01/17/2003 9:49:31 AM PST by slimer
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To: slimer
Creatures naturally adapt to their environment but nothing has "evolved" yet.

Whaaaa? That is downright Clintonian!
24 posted on 01/17/2003 10:04:07 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: LiteKeeper
Here's a novel thought: maybe they were designed that way by an intelligent being that designed everything else around us. Genesis 1:20-21

Not really a "novel" thought, as this is actually an "arcane" thought which prevailed for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Since then, science and knowledge has improved rendering Genesis 1:20-21 to the realm of, "nice story, no merit."
25 posted on 01/17/2003 10:06:46 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: scouse
It's easy; getting it past the screeners at the airport is the hard thing. :^))

ROFL

26 posted on 01/17/2003 10:22:47 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: FREE Tag Line with Every Monthly Donation to FR. Get Yours. Inquire Within)
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To: whattajoke
Wrong answer. This is simply not true. And to say so, is to ignore a massive amount of work that has gone on in the last few years. However, judging from your response, I doubt that I could convince you otherwise, and therefore, do not intend to continue this thread.
27 posted on 01/17/2003 12:11:51 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
In the interest of furthering my knowledge, and since I'm always on the lookout to learn new things, I'd like you to reconsider quitting responding to me. I would absolutely love to read some of the "massive amount of work" in the area of intelligent design. Still, the Genesis account can't really be considered "novel," can it?
28 posted on 01/17/2003 12:27:28 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
The word "novel" was being used in an ironic way...since it has been around for a very long time, certainly longer than "evolutionary philosophy" or "humanism," the by product of evolution.

Preliminary question, what kind of evidence would you consider viable? My experience has been that when I identify research and evidence, it is passed off, or dismissed as fictional, or an excuse for foisting a religious view on others. So, what would it take to have you consider, with an open mind, any evidence that I might present?

29 posted on 01/17/2003 12:32:34 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: whattajoke
Please read this article re: bird evolution

More later.

30 posted on 01/17/2003 1:11:19 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: whattajoke
This is another: Bird Evolution
31 posted on 01/17/2003 1:12:21 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: whattajoke
Creation: Where's the proof?
32 posted on 01/17/2003 1:16:01 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Dallas
Just like Indy race cars. The put wings on the cars to hold them closer to the ground. Later the wings started lifting the cars and causing accidents so the wings were clipped. Same with skirts.
33 posted on 01/17/2003 1:27:38 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (The earth is like a tiny grain of sand, only much heavier.)
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To: PatrickHenry
End-of-session placemarker.
34 posted on 01/17/2003 6:54:37 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Creationists secretly admire PH)
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To: slimer
The whole theory of evilution has been controversial from the beginning, since there has not been one shred of evidence of any creature "evolving" into something else. Creatures naturally adapt to their environment but nothing has "evolved" yet.
Actually, this study may turn out to be very significant, since it demonstrates a very good advantage for a proto-bird to have feathered wings, and also demonstrates how close the wings-as-spoiler functionality morphs into the wings-as-lift functionality:
Also, as the birds start running up steeper inclines, "you can see once they run up vertically, they've attained the wing movement needed for flight," Dial said. Instead of beating their wings horizontally, with flapping directed from head to tail, the wings then shift to going up and down.

35 posted on 01/18/2003 12:23:15 AM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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