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Retired Cop Waves White Flag in War on Drugs
The Standard-Times (MA) ^ | 15 Jan 2003 | John Doherty

Posted on 01/16/2003 7:43:37 AM PST by MrLeRoy

After fighting the war on drugs for nearly 30 years, Lt. Jack Cole is ready to admit defeat.

The retired New Jersey State Police detective -- who spent 12 years as an undercover narcotics officer -- spearheads a movement to legalize all narcotics as a way of ending the bloody, expensive war.

"The war on drugs was, is and always will be a dismal failure," said Mr. Cole yesterday to a meeting of the Fairhaven Rotary Club.

Mr. Cole is one of the founders of an international nonprofit group called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition -- LEAP.

That group, which includes current and former police officers, judges and others, is proposing nothing short of legalizing all narcotics -- including heroin, cocaine and marijuana -- and having the federal government regulate them.

While that might sound radical for a detective who spent the better part of his career looking to jail both users and sellers of drugs, Mr. Cole said it is the only rational viewpoint after a career on the front lines of the war on drugs.

While spending what Mr. Cole estimates to be $69 billion per year in law enforcement and prison costs for drug offenders, Americans have seen drug supplies become more plentiful and the drugs themselves more powerful and cheaper.

Mr. Cole acknowledged to the dozen Rotarians yesterday that the idea of legalizing narcotics -- similar to policies in Amsterdam -- sounds foreign.

The first question many people ask is whether drug decriminalization will increase drug use, especially among the young.

Mr. Cole pointed to studies in which young Americans said it was easier to obtain marijuana and other drugs than it was to purchase government-regulated alcohol and tobacco products.

Holland sees a lower rate of marijuana use among its young people, in part because decriminalization has made the drug boring, Mr. Cole said.

"We at LEAP are asking you to listen and to think about these ideas," said Mr. Cole, who is pursuing a doctorate in public policy at UMass Boston.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: addictedlosers; drug; druggieskill; druglawskill; drugskill; gunskill; peoplekill; roadkill; soylentgreenispeople; wod; wodlist
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To: MrLeRoy
Wrong; the fetus is building itself based on its unique genetic code, using Mom only for raw materials (and shelter and warmth).

Just like each cell in her body does every day, replicates accoring to it's genetic code, skin cells do it, toenail cells do it too.

You think he'd rather be somewhere else?

Are you intentionally baiting?? It doesn't matter if he did, just like your heart, think it'd rather stop beating?

181 posted on 01/16/2003 1:42:17 PM PST by EBUCK (....reloading....praparing to FIRE!!!)
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To: RobRoy
$70 billion is a lot of money, even these days. And that is just the direct cost. What value has the freedom we lose through no-knock raids, siezures, and IVth Amendment abuse?

$70 billion/year in savings could pay for war with Iraq.
182 posted on 01/16/2003 1:44:15 PM PST by eno_
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To: EBUCK
Hey, it could happen! I never thought the speed limit would go above 55 again!
183 posted on 01/16/2003 1:44:16 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: eno_
Definitely can't argue. Besides, they now have "homeland security" as the excuse du-jure for the no-knock raids.

Actually, I think it gives them even MORE authority...
184 posted on 01/16/2003 1:46:08 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
If that ever bcomes safer for the unborn child than leaving him in utero, we may need to consider that question.

Who will make that decision? You? And will you enforce it with the gub bludgeon?

185 posted on 01/16/2003 1:47:43 PM PST by EBUCK (....reloading....praparing to FIRE!!!)
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To: RobRoy
Yah, me neither. Wish I hadn't bought that Samurai now, 65 is scary in the puddle-jumper.
186 posted on 01/16/2003 1:49:11 PM PST by EBUCK (....reloading....praparing to FIRE!!!)
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To: EBUCK
the fetus is building itself based on its unique genetic code, using Mom only for raw materials (and shelter and warmth).

Just like each cell in her body does every day, replicates accoring to it's genetic code, skin cells do it, toenail cells do it too.

The comparison fails: skin cells make only other skin cells, whereas the fetus makes every kind of cell for himself.

[rewinding the exchange:] Dialysis and in-utero are non-comparable situations. One is voluntary, the other is not.

If I am knocked temporarily unconscious in an accident and a doctor puts me on a resipirator, I am using it involuntarily; am I not a person?

187 posted on 01/16/2003 1:51:08 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: EBUCK
Who will make that decision?

Since I don't expect it to ever be safer, I decline to worry about it.

188 posted on 01/16/2003 1:52:33 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: EBUCK
"Is it a life once conception takes place??

Yes.

"If so shouldn't we remove the developing embryo and atrificially incubate it because there are a lot of miscariages?"

Should we place everyone in a plastic bubble? People die due to a variety of circumstances everyday. Unborn babies, by design, are safest inside of mommy. America has managed to legalize, master and promote the demise of that truth.
189 posted on 01/16/2003 1:55:20 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ((communism is a rash that needs to be scraped off of the planet))
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To: EBUCK
Who will make that decision? You? And will you enforce it

I'm against enforcing safety on anyone.

190 posted on 01/16/2003 1:57:52 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: RobRoy
Imagine a world with...

...real prosecutions instead of plea bargains.

..judges with the time to examine each request for a serach warrant, and the guts to deny a significant percentage of them.

...jails with room for burglars and muggers.

...cops that care about your burglary, and burglaries that get solved

...75% less money spent on police.

...lower taxes.

...low murder rates.

...no SWAT teams.

...privacy for cash transactions.

...police surveillance at an all-time low.

That is what ending the Drug War can bring us. And it is important that we should want such a future. Al Quaida is waging economic war on us. That $70 billion would go a long way to boosting our economy, and so would more privacy and economic freedom. The War on Drugs is a drag on the economy that we can no longer afford.
191 posted on 01/16/2003 2:00:27 PM PST by eno_
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To: MrLeRoy
The comparison fails: skin cells make only other skin cells, whereas the fetus makes every kind of cell for himself.

Not true. A lot of cells in our body can make other cells when needed. Each cell contains our entire genetic code and when prompted can replicate other cells.

If I am knocked temporarily unconscious in an accident and a doctor puts me on a resipirator, I am using it involuntarily; am I not a person?

Were you born into the world and no longer a growth in you mommys belly? Then yes, you are person.

The distinction...you voluntarily got where you are as the result of your voluntary action. You got into the car, you got out of bed that morning, you didn't kill yourself the night before.

192 posted on 01/16/2003 2:00:51 PM PST by EBUCK (....reloading....praparing to FIRE!!!)
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To: MrLeRoy
Dialysis patients are not symbiotic with another human though, are they?

I don't like abortion. Never doubt that. Prophylatic uses are a sign someone was pretty g*dd*mn stupid earlier on.

If a fetus cannot survive outside the mother, can it be truely said to be a completely seperate person? Having an abitrary point, such as survivability, allows for future advances in science to pare back the point where abortion is still an option.

Third term and partial birth abortion should be outlawed. You are essentially throwing away a perfectly good human.

193 posted on 01/16/2003 2:01:10 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Unborn babies, by design, are safest inside of mommy.

I agree with that entirely. I just disagree with the conception point.

194 posted on 01/16/2003 2:04:01 PM PST by EBUCK (....reloading....praparing to FIRE!!!)
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To: MrLeRoy
I shall consider your "consideration" comment withdrawn then.
195 posted on 01/16/2003 2:05:58 PM PST by EBUCK (....reloading....praparing to FIRE!!!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Dialysis patients are not symbiotic with another human though, are they?

Ah, so it's dependence on another person that makes one a non-person? What if I need blood transfusions to survive, and only one other person in the world is a match---does that make me a non-person?

If a fetus cannot survive outside the mother, can it be truely said to be a completely seperate person?

Completely separate? No. Person? Yes.

Having an abitrary point, such as survivability, allows for future advances in science to pare back the point where abortion is still an option.

It's a better criterion than birth---but it still allows the deliberate killing of innocent persons.

196 posted on 01/16/2003 2:06:03 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: EBUCK
A lot of cells in our body can make other cells when needed.

None of the cells in our body can make a compete body, as the fetus does for itself.

The distinction...you voluntarily got where you are as the result of your voluntary action. You got into the car, you got out of bed that morning, you didn't kill yourself the night before.

That doesn't make my being on the respirator voluntary.

197 posted on 01/16/2003 2:08:34 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: EBUCK
"I just disagree with the conception point."

I understand, I used to as well. I took some courses at a university with a philosophical-theologian (is that right?) whom made the compelling argument that, in a nutshell, the purpose, after conception takes place, of abortion...is to deny life to a baby man or baby woman. Women don't conceive and carry kittens or puppies; they are little men and women that are growing into big men and women.
198 posted on 01/16/2003 2:10:35 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ((communism is a rash that needs to be scraped off of the planet))
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To: BibChr
Better admit failure and legalize all crimes.

Some "crimes" are just crimes because legislators say they are. Like crimes in one state aren't crimes in another. Or city to city.

RElegalizing the use of all substances isn't close to what you are attempting to characterize it as. Just as when it was a crime to drink alcohol, but now it isn't. You know the difference, too bad you won't admit it.

199 posted on 01/16/2003 2:11:38 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: motzman
First you say this;
Personally, I believe that abortion (except partial birth) should be legal.

Then you say this in the same post;
the many young women that believe that the ability to murder their unborn children makes them "empowered", "independent", and "sophisticated".

Makes no sense unless you think murder should be legal.

200 posted on 01/16/2003 2:14:31 PM PST by Protagoras
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