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Next generation will inherit our huge war debt
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 01/15/03 | RONALD BROWNSTEIN

Posted on 01/15/2003 8:25:54 PM PST by optimistically_conservative

Old question: What did you do in the war, daddy?

New answer: I pocketed a large tax cut, honey.

Pause.

And then I passed the bill for the war onto you.

That, essentially, is the generational transaction established by the sweeping tax cut President Bush proposed last week. The proposal commits Bush to a goal unprecedented in U.S. history: cutting taxes in wartime.

Forget guns and butter: Bush is now offering bombs and caviar.

That's an odd combination, as Bush demonstrated in the speech last week when he announced his plan. First he emphasized the threat that international terrorism poses to U.S. security and somberly declared that this is a "time of war."

Then he proposed a good-time economic plan that would shower Americans with $674 billion in tax breaks over the next decade -- at a time when the federal budget has fallen back into deficit and faces irresistible demands for more spending on defense and homeland security. The unavoidable result will be bigger federal deficits and a larger national debt, which amounts to shifting the cost of defending the nation onto our children.

With this push to slash taxes during wartime, Bush broke from 140 years of history under presidents of both parties. In every major conflict the United States has fought since the Civil War (and some minor ones), Washington has raised taxes to pay for war.

Americans are never particularly happy about paying higher taxes. But we have always accepted heavier burdens as the price those at home pay to support those under fire on the front. As one economist wrote during World War I: "Patriotism can often be translated into dollars and cents -- in fact, the material side of patriotism is often quite as important as the spiritual side."

The income tax and the inheritance tax (which Bush is trying to eliminate) were signed into law by Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president, to help pay for the Civil War. As journalist Steven R. Weisman recounts in his engaging recent book, "The Great Tax Wars," by the time the war ended, Congress had imposed a top income tax rate of 10 percent on all incomes over $5,000. The inheritance tax, he writes, "passed Congress with little debate because of the widespread demand in the North for sacrifice, especially from the wealthy."

After the war, both taxes were eventually allowed to lapse. But to pay for the Spanish-American War, President McKinley -- also a Republican -- signed into law an excise tax on petroleum and sugar companies and reinstated the inheritance tax. To fund the country's entry into World War I, President Wilson -- a Democrat -- massively increased the number of Americans subject to the income tax and raised the top rate from 7 percent to 77 percent.

Congress cut taxes during the 1920s. But when the nation fought World War II, Americans reached into their pockets again. Once more, the number of Americans subject to the income tax soared (from 4 million to nearly 43 million) and the top rate rose to 91 percent.

Taxes increased again to fund the Korean War; even in Vietnam, President Johnson belatedly imposed a war surtax on incomes.

The war against terrorism or a possible return match against Iraq won't demand nearly as many resources as World Wars I or II, or even Vietnam and Korea. But these tests will still impose significant burdens on the government.

By 2005, Bush wants to spend at least $100 billion a year more on defense than President Clinton proposed in his final budget; a war in Iraq would add to that bill. At the same time, Bush has proposed to spend $38 billion on homeland security this year. And even those commitments, the administration concluded in a homeland security plan last summer, "must be viewed as down payments to cover the most immediate security vulnerabilities."

As Weisman writes, when Wilson urged higher taxes in World War I, he stressed the nation's obligation not to burden future generations with the war's cost through excessive borrowing: "The industry of this generation should pay the bills of this generation," he said. Bush seems to be ignoring that lesson.

By proposing large new tax cuts when Washington is already in deficit and facing growing costs for defense, Bush is threatening an explosive growth in the national debt. When Bush took office, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Washington would eliminate the publicly held national debt by 2008 -- so long as the government fulfilled the pledge Bush and Al Gore each made in the 2000 presidential campaign to apply the surplus temporarily accumulating in Social Security toward paying down that debt.

But Bush abandoned that promise under the pressure of recession, the war on terrorism and the cost of his $1.35 trillion tax cut of 2001. Even before Bush's new proposals, the CBO had estimated that Washington would need to divert more than $2 trillion from the Social Security surplus to operate the rest of government through 2012. With that money no longer available for debt reduction, CBO projected that the debt would rise to $3.8 trillion by 2008.

The further tax cuts Bush proposed last week will only deepen that hole. Because the operating side of the federal budget is already deeply in deficit, every penny of Bush's new tax cut would have to come from taxes raised for Social Security or by increasing the national debt. The Democratic staff on the Senate Budget Committee has estimated that if the new Bush tax cut plan passes, as well as the prescription-drug plan for senior citizens he has endorsed, the national debt will balloon to $4.8 trillion in 2008 -- the year the CBO initially projected the debt could be eliminated.

More debt means higher interest costs for the government, which means higher taxes on future generations. It all amounts to Americans voting themselves a tax cut and letting their children pay for defending the country through a larger national debt. Surely Woodrow Wilson better captured the nation's spirit when he said, as the bullets flew in World War I, that Americans "know the war must be paid for and that it is they who must pay for it, and if the burden is justly distributed they will carry it cheerfully and with a sort of solemn pride."

Ronald Brownstein is a Los Angeles Times national political correspondent.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: budget; debt; iraq; liarsgotohell; nozerosumgain; repentbrownstein; taxcut; war
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To: MissAmericanPie
When we owe more dollars than there are stars in our solar system, 200 billion, what difference does it make what a war on terror costs?

Babe, there's only one star in our Solar System. : )

Snidely

41 posted on 01/15/2003 9:39:39 PM PST by Snidely Whiplash
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To: Karsus
I appreciate the point you are trying to make but have no interest in playing numbers games. My point very simply was

"That's nothing. You should see the war debt WE inherited for saving Europe from itself!" That point speaks loudly for itself, and is keyed to the original poster. If you don't get that point, then just skip it.

42 posted on 01/15/2003 9:39:54 PM PST by DensaMensa
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To: Snidely Whiplash
=o)
43 posted on 01/15/2003 9:42:07 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Karsus
Sorry if I actually care about what type of world/govement my kids have when they grow up.

Is that a macro you use when you want to appear more caring and superior to the rest of us.

Lighten up, Francis.

44 posted on 01/15/2003 9:46:13 PM PST by Howlin (It's yet ANOTHER good day to be a Republican!)
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To: Karsus
Interesting observation, Karsus; may I offer an answer to your query?

Post WWII Americans were better-educated, generally more moral, and had a better work-ethic: they made for themselves what could not be had; they weren't defeated by self doubt or fear of success; they actually believed in, and therefore realized, the American Dream. The productivity of individuals wasn't hindered by the doomsaying, navel-contemplating, termite-socialist educational paradigm, passed-off as knowledge, in the gubmint schools of today.

Certainly not the entire picture; but a significant part of it, I'll reckon.

45 posted on 01/15/2003 9:49:53 PM PST by dasboot
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To: DensaMensa
Look a few posts up. I included how much the debt was in 1950. It was 2200% less than the current debt. The current level of debt is much more than the level of debt after WWII.

If you are unable to read what I post, then please do not bother to respond to them.
46 posted on 01/15/2003 9:52:32 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To: Karsus
If, after WWII, the goverment could run a surplus, why can't it now?

Surpluses suck, that means the gubmint is taking too much of our money.

47 posted on 01/15/2003 9:55:58 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: optimistically_conservative
Let's say you are making $30,000 a year and renting an apartment, obviously your level of debt is low since you don't have a mortgage. Now you make $100,000 a year and you buy a nice house and the mortgage is $100,000. Your level of debt skyrocketed to $100,000, but guess what? You are making more money as well to cover the debt. So while in absolute terms the debt has gone up, the GNP has also gone up such that the debt as a percentage of the GNP hasn't changed. But politicians love to use the debt as a bogeyman to scare everybody into voting for them.
48 posted on 01/15/2003 9:59:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: neutrino
War debt, eh?
Take the oil. Sell the stuff. Pay off the debt, plus shipping, handling, tax, title, dealer prep, gratuity, and handling charges.
Simple!

Bingo. That's the way it's supposed to work. You force the Empire to rouse itself and come over and whack your stupid ass in order to preserve the peace of the world, and we confiscate your goods in order to pay for it.

And since camels aren't worth much as international currency these days, well...

49 posted on 01/15/2003 10:04:27 PM PST by fire_eye
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To: dfwgator
Not if the entire surplus is used to pay down the debt. Which, by the way, hasn't happend in over 30 years.
50 posted on 01/15/2003 10:09:08 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To Future Generations:

Your parents and I are paying off two world wars, several police actions, free health care for old people/immigrants/children, and a manadated all citizen pyramid scheme (except gov't employees of course).

Consider yourselves lucky.

51 posted on 01/15/2003 10:09:15 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: dfwgator
But, as a percentage of the federal budget, the interest required to maintain the debt has gone up.
52 posted on 01/15/2003 10:10:33 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD)
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To: optimistically_conservative
"Next generation will inherit our huge war debt"
Here is a title for you liberals out there:

Next generation might not be around to inherit anything if we don't do something about the current threat to our country.

53 posted on 01/15/2003 10:14:07 PM PST by Orion78
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To: optimistically_conservative
Let me get this straight;

1. We are in debit $5.6Trillion by our own doing

2. With the Marshall Plan, over $12 billion was dispersed (1948-51) under the program. To our Eurowenies, interest free. So in 2003 $ that would be (6% interest for 54years) or $ 353,985,999,318,476,000,000,000,000.00

No problem, we have already got the troops there... let’s go collect it….
54 posted on 01/15/2003 10:18:33 PM PST by Atilla_the_Hun
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To: optimistically_conservative

Two things; the debt would not exceed historic norms as a percent of GDP and Saddam is going to leave without a war so all the cost estimates are way off.
55 posted on 01/15/2003 10:23:39 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: MissAmericanPie
Blonde?
56 posted on 01/15/2003 10:24:12 PM PST by optimistically_conservative
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To: optimistically_conservative
Optimistic?
57 posted on 01/15/2003 10:28:26 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Monty22
They are either too stupid to get it or too disingenuous to make an honest debate. Either way, the argument is getting too old and boring.
58 posted on 01/15/2003 10:31:22 PM PST by paul51
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To: optimistically_conservative
Ronald Brownstein is a Los Angeles Times national political correspondent

In his mind anyhow

59 posted on 01/15/2003 10:32:33 PM PST by paul51
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To: Atilla_the_Hun; Karsus
2. With the Marshall Plan, over $12 billion was dispersed (1948-51) under the program. To our Eurowenies, interest free. So in 2003 $ that would be (6% interest for 54years) or $ 353,985,999,318,476,000,000,000,000.00

I like your thinking. Something I find interesting is I haven't seen the Reagonomics grow revenue through tax cuts (economic stimulus) argument yet on this thread. Have conservatives given up on that idea?

Karsus: You are certainly correct about the numbers for the debt/interest, but without including inflation, GDP growth and population growth they can be very misleading. From an economic standpoint, Social Security and Medicare scare me much more than the current (or war) debt.

60 posted on 01/15/2003 10:35:38 PM PST by optimistically_conservative
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