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Linux Set to Challenge Windows on Desktop
Reuters | 1/12/2003 | Reed Stevenson

Posted on 01/12/2003 7:54:22 PM PST by new cruelty

SEATTLE (Reuters) - Bought the latest whiz-bang personal computer, but don't know what to do with your older, fully functional PC?

One option would be to try breathing new life into it with Linux (news - web sites), the software standard that is presenting itself as an alternative to Microsoft Corp.'s (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) Windows operating system.

With better stability, security and pricing in a desktop operating system with a look-and-feel similar to Windows, Linux advocates say they are getting ready to take on Microsoft, which dominates the desktop market.

Since Linux is free to be copied and modified, unlike proprietary software from Microsoft, it is cheaper to obtain.

For less than $100, most versions of Linux offer a package of software that lets users send and receive e-mail, surf the Web, write documents and use spreadsheets. Microsoft's Windows and its Office productivity program can together cost several hundreds of dollars.

The cost of obtaining Linux software from a variety of distributors, such as Red Hat Inc. (NasdaqNM:RHAT - news), SuSE, Xandros and Mandrake, mainly goes toward service agreements that provide regular updates to the software, manuals and customer support, as well as the software on a CD in a nicely packaged box.

Once confined to the desktops of technically savvy users, Linux is becoming easier to install, operate and maintain for the average user.

Xandros Desktop, one version of Linux, requires only five clicks or less to get the operating system up and running.

Red Hat, the most visible Linux distributor, offers a package of programs that includes instant messaging (news - web sites), programs for managing digital photos, sounds and video, as well as plenty of games.

Many personal files, documents and pictures used with a Windows system can be transferred and used on a Linux system. Some Windows-based software programs, such as older version of Microsoft Office or its rival, Lotus Notes, can even be installed to run on top of a Linux system.

For those who don't want to take the plunge and switch to a Linux-only system, using an older PC is a good way to test the waters, said Xandros co-chairman Frederick Berenstein.

"Everything just works," Berenstein said.

For those who want to start using Linux on their current PC without sacrificing their Windows programs, nearly all of the major Linux versions offer something ingloriously called a boot manager, which lets users choose between Windows and Linux.

Because Linux can be modified so easily, each Linux distributor creates its own version of Linux with different features and designs. Since Linux software developers can all copy from each other in their quest to create a better product, Linux advocates argue that innovation is an inherent part of the Linux operating system.

"Linux will create a renewed climate of competition and innovation for desktop applications," said Mark de Visser, vice president of marketing at Red Hat.

"Today most of the applications for Windows are Microsoft applications -- there just is no level playing field," he said, referring to the advantage Microsoft has over other application developers since it also makes the basic software platform.

LINUX -- NOT JUST FOR GEEKS

Developed just over a decade ago by a Finnish student named Linus Torvalds (news - web sites), Linux was created as an open-source alternative to proprietary Unix (news - web sites)-based operating systems, which lets users see, modify and copy software source code -- the underlying blueprints for programs.

Graphical and icon-based versions of Linux have come a long way from the unfriendly command-line based operating systems that only geeks know how to use. These harken back to the pre-Windows era when Microsoft's MS-DOS was standard on PCs.

Figures are hard to come by, but most experts agree that Microsoft software runs on well above 90 percent of PCs, with Linux making up a minuscule number of the total. Yet Linux already has a 15 to 20 percent share of the market for servers, which manage computer networks.

Now, Linux developers have created a variety of graphics-based desktops that offer a dizzying array of options for users who never want to see a command line.

Users can customize their desktop, screensavers, fonts and devices connected to their PCs by navigating through menus.

Tapping into Linux distribution Web sites allows users to access an ever-growing collection of applications -- for free.

Some versions of Linux can switch between languages nearly instantly, while Microsoft creates different versions of its operating system for different languages.

And for those who want to stick with a Windows-style system, the Xandros desktop is deliberately designed to look like Windows, with a similar file system and a task bar that sports a button that pulls up a menu like the "Start" button.

"What we offer is ease of installation and familiarity," Berenstein said.

The standard edition of Mandrake Linux, a popular Linux platform, costs $33 while a beefed up version with more than 2,000 applications costs $70.

The latest personal edition of Red Hat Linux costs $30, and the personal edition from longtime Linux developer SuSE costs $27. Xandros is available for $99.

"It is early to call this a threat to Microsoft and Windows, as the percentages (of users) are still low. But the numbers are growing, and at some point users will be able to buy computers with preloaded Linux, printers and other devices that come with Linux drivers, and desktop applications that come in both Windows and Linux versions," said Red Hat's de Visser, "Once that happens, the threat to Microsoft Windows will become very real."


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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
http://www.winehq.com/download/

The above is free and is supposed to run Windows programs.
Hope so!
61 posted on 01/13/2003 12:33:04 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Still a great deal considering they want $119 for Lindows on the other website.
$7.50 for a 56K modem, $7 fpr a 3.5 drive, $39 on sale for a writable CD, there was a recent $29 17" monitor at Best Buy and you are ready to go.
62 posted on 01/13/2003 12:38:16 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
Is this the Fry machine with the Far East, Japan or Korean version of Linux installed on it? It has an Office system also, I think!
63 posted on 01/13/2003 12:59:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Governor Gray Davis should be recalled!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It was bought and because I am getting ready for re-carpeting my house I haven't played with it yet.

I left it for inspection with a buddy who is very interested into investigating my Linux system on the machine. I told him to knock himself out!
64 posted on 01/13/2003 1:48:01 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: thulldud
"It Ain't Necessarily So." Mono will be there.

There are no current plans for Mono to support the full Windows Forms libraries. Until then, Mono cannot host smart client apps developed for Windows. It's theoretically possible, sure, but I don't see Microsoft spending the money to do it, and I don't know who else would be willing to spend it either. Maybe some Open Source people will eventually take it on, but it'll be a tough project.

65 posted on 01/13/2003 5:14:21 AM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: krb
Also, check out the magazine Linux Format. It's a monthly british magazine that comes with Linux related CD's (or a DVD) every issue. The Christmas issue came with 2-disk Mandrake 9.0 distro. I've been buying the magazine for about a year at the local MicroCenter, and it runs about $15.00.
66 posted on 01/13/2003 5:31:40 AM PST by vollmond
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To: krb
you want to know if those windows programs will run under the Linux

I have a lot of Win based programs I need to use (PhotoShop, Illustrator, Quark, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash, etc.). Any chance of these working if I install Linux? I couldn't afford to buy all new of all of the above, and I need 'em all.

67 posted on 01/13/2003 5:35:46 AM PST by Aeronaut
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To: Will_Zurmacht
i just converted a box to RH 8.0, smooth setup even for SWB DSL.

And you can download a firewall called Firestarter, answer a couple of questions on the install, and you have home internet sharing using network address translation.

68 posted on 01/13/2003 5:53:30 AM PST by Stentor
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To: A CA Guy
Could I run Office 2000 and add my cd-rw hardware and run it's software? In general.

To do this, you are going to need the CrossOver plugin found here.

Birth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that Internet Explorer cannot.

69 posted on 01/13/2003 6:03:02 AM PST by rdb3 (There's joy in repetition.)
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To: Jhoffa_
They throw their hands in the air, say: "Too much for me!" and that's it.

This is precisely why I steer new users away from distros like Slackware (which is my favorite Uniplexed Information and Computing System, err... UNIX flavor). Mandrake is the perfect place for those interested to start.

Lastly, I find no joy in trashing the *nix upstarts. FWIW, no one is a Windows expert off the bat either. Therefore, I'm more than happy to help those who ask.

Birth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that Internet Explorer cannot.

70 posted on 01/13/2003 6:20:37 AM PST by rdb3 (There's joy in repetition.)
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To: Joe Bonforte
If speech recognition ever gets real, for example, you can bet it will do it on Windows.

VoiceType Dictation was in the box with IBM OS/2 Warp 4. That was in 1996. I used it on a Pentium 120. It was a bit of a hassle to go through all the training exercises, but it worked fairly well. Best for someone with their own office with a closed door, though. :-P

71 posted on 01/13/2003 6:22:19 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: SpaceBar
I've posted to freerepublic from it using Pine.

Pine? Try doing it with Lynx. ;-)

Birth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that Internet Explorer cannot.

72 posted on 01/13/2003 6:22:43 AM PST by rdb3 (There's joy in repetition.)
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To: A CA Guy
There is a semi-proprietary product based on WINE called CrossOver Office that lets you run Microsoft Office.

Otherwise, there is a limited set of Windows applications that will run under WINE. You can check out the status for many applications here.

Linux, using WINE, is not really a satisfactory platform for running Windows applications, though. If you do it occasionallly, you might find it tolerable, but the best programs to run on Linux are Linux programs.

73 posted on 01/13/2003 6:32:30 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: new cruelty
I have Linux running on 2 ½ boxes.

First is a P150 running IPCop Firewall (http://www.ipcop.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IPCop/WebHome) Uses very minimal hareware. This box is almost 100% maintenance free. It is almost hands off.


Second is a Pentium Pro 200 running as a mandrake server. I use it mostly as an Internet DNS server, my ISP’s DNS server is slow.

Third is a Dualboot W2k and Mandrake 9 box.

I use Openoffice on all my computers and have very good luck with it. In fact I downloaded some Powerpoint files last summer and viewed them with Openoffice on Linux.

I use a JetDirect 300 as a Print server and it is easier to set up with Linux then with Windows!!!

I would suggest anybody with an older Pentium box to give Mandrake a try. If you can install Windows you can install mandrake.
74 posted on 01/13/2003 6:43:04 AM PST by amigatec (Linux the Ultimate Windows Service Pack - Registered Linux User 279399)
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To: Aeronaut
Check out my post #40...
75 posted on 01/13/2003 7:00:36 AM PST by krb (the statement on the other side of ths tagline is false)
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To: amigatec
One more point I will add for you Modem users, Linux may not work with your internal modem. If you have a “Winmodem” don’t expect it to work (see http://www.linmodems.org/ for more info).
Winmodems are a piece of junk. I have used both internal and external modems and externals are faster. I bought an external no-name 56k, V92 from COMPUSA for about $50.

I use Samba and LinNeighborhood to network Windows and Linux, Windows doesn’t even the other boxes are using Linux.

I use X-CDRoast to burn CD’s

One more point I will add concerning the JetDirect. I had to download 2 different pieces of software from HP to get it to work with W2k but with Linux I installed CUPS and with about 5 clicks I had both the JetDirect and my HP932 printer running.
76 posted on 01/13/2003 7:04:08 AM PST by amigatec (Linux the Ultimate Windows Service Pack - Registered Linux User 279399)
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To: A CA Guy
Lindows is a low budget Linux operating system. I found an article about it on FR last year when Walmart started offering the product. About Walmart offered Lindows, Walmart Lindows for sale, the Lindows site. I haven't heard much about it since it came out for sale, but at the time it was expected to give Windows a run for its money, by offering a competative product at 1/2 or 1/3 of the price.
77 posted on 01/13/2003 7:04:10 AM PST by Sally II
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To: Sally II; A CA Guy
"What? No mention of Lindows?"

As they say in Texas, "Lindows" = all hat, no cattle. Lindows two claims to fame are its name and its original claim to run Windows software under Linux. They have since backed off on the second claim, so all they have left is the name.

To run Windows apps under Linux, the best bet is Codeweaver's commercial version of WINE.

78 posted on 01/13/2003 7:24:50 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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