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Socialism: Its evil permeates American society
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 1/12/03 | David P. Shreiner

Posted on 01/12/2003 2:10:15 PM PST by Jean S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A conservative preacher once told me he thought "a little socialism was good." I was dumbfounded. He did not realize this was tantamount to saying a little evil is good.

In the early 1900s socialism was regarded as a crazy idea invented by revolutionaries and Marxists to disrupt civilization and bring down governments. But today the majority of Americans behave as socialists

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communism; freetrade; libertarians; marxism; physicain; physician; socialism; socializedmedicine; sovereigntylist; un; unitednations
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To: Spiff
"I won't pay in cash though - I hope that 7.62x39mm rounds at 2400fps are an acceptable form of payment." -spiff-


You crazy. Get lost.
81 posted on 01/12/2003 8:38:12 PM PST by tpaine
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To: dtel
Read my posts, put your gun down. We are coming from the same place here, except you are too stupid to realize it. Chill out, have another bong. Or whatever you guys do to relax these days.

I thought you might be trying to be sarcastic, but I threw that theory out right about the time you called me an a**hole. By the way, sarcasm and facetiousness does not go over very well on the Internet.

By "you guys" and "have another bong" I guess that you assume I am a big 'L' Libertarian. You'd be wrong. I'm just a pissed off small 'l" libertarian Republican who is trying to fight the fight inside the party.

82 posted on 01/12/2003 8:38:47 PM PST by Spiff
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To: tpaine
After five years of FReekers like 'spiff', it takes a lot to lo0se your cool

He has a point. Like it or not, you're beneficiary of stolen tax dollars in the form of intergenerational welfare payments.

We won't receive it, (Well, I have the hope that they're dumb enough to try, leading to a complete bankruptcy of the US Government even sooner....), but we do have to pay it. SS is a Ponzi scheme, and if we tried to run it, we'd be put in Federal Prison.

Now, I'd also admit that Spiff doesn't seem to know which players are his own teammates.... which could be pretty destructive outside of softball.....

83 posted on 01/12/2003 8:40:15 PM PST by DAnconia55 (How about the politicians, some piranah, and a vicious endangered specie to be named later?)
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To: Spiff
Tell me your war stories of doing battle with the IRS because of the screwed tax system.
Most find it simpler to be internet Rambo's, I am sure you are not one of them.
Right?
84 posted on 01/12/2003 8:41:37 PM PST by dtel (Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
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To: tpaine
"I won't pay in cash though - I hope that 7.62x39mm rounds at 2400fps are an acceptable form of payment." -spiff- You crazy. Get lost.

Oh, what??! Did I say something I shouldn't have!? You mean that it isn't politically correct anymore to shoot people who are trying to rob you? I'll have to make a note of that.

85 posted on 01/12/2003 8:41:57 PM PST by Spiff
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To: dtel
Tell me your war stories of doing battle with the IRS because of the screwed tax system.

One simple point of moderation : There's a lot more of us, than IRS Agents.

And they DID hang tax collectors once. Even ignorant medieval peasants could figure out the business ends of a pitchfork and a noose.

86 posted on 01/12/2003 8:44:39 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Spiff
No, I was referring more to your age (obviously younger than me) and did not mean to label you with the dreaded "L" tag.
Please accept my apologies.
87 posted on 01/12/2003 8:45:01 PM PST by dtel (Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
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To: dtel
Tell me your war stories of doing battle with the IRS because of the screwed tax system. Most find it simpler to be internet Rambo's, I am sure you are not one of them. Right?

Haven't done battle yet. I'm just pissed off right now. Ranting. Trying to figure out what to do about the $1 million dollars that will be stolen from me over my lifetime so that the leeches can truck around the country in their motor homes and buy their viagra.

88 posted on 01/12/2003 8:46:37 PM PST by Spiff
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To: supercat
And just where is that money going to come from?

That burden is on the thief who stole it in the first place, but I have a few suggestions.

Cut spending by abolishing welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, the Department of Education, the EPA, the war on drugs, and all other unconstitutional programs.

Abolish the IRS and institute a simple tax system that collects enough to provide for national defense and not much else.

Send me back the stolen money in the form of gold bars and let me handle the rest:)

89 posted on 01/12/2003 8:46:41 PM PST by Ken H
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To: NMC EXP; Sam Cree
The form of government in the US is fascism. The means of production are privately owned but are highly regulated and subjected to central planning by the state.

I recently read an opinion that the term "Fascism" was expropriated by the socialists to label the Nazis so as to distance themselves from Hitler's programs. They were afraid that their loyal followers would abandon them if they realized that 3rd Reich was socialist, root and branch.

90 posted on 01/12/2003 8:48:25 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: DAnconia55
I was tweaking the 'I think I'm holier than thou, but I'm really not holier than a cheese sandwich' posters.

Oh, okay, I somehow missed the /sarcasm tag.

Actually, I think conservatives might get a little more traction on moral issues if they didn't come across as painting a version of the past that never quite existed. Though illegitimacy rates have skyrocketed in my lifetime, the existence of premarital sex is nothing new. What's changed is the consequences.

By my understanding, it used to be that if an unmarried girl got pregnant, one of two things would happen:

Neither of these outcomes involved any sort of criminal sanction, and indeed the first was considered only mildly unacceptable. BTW, the first outcome is also entirely consistent with God's law given in Exodus.

BTW, another thing about the above consequences is that they represent the 'natural' consequences of people's actions; if anything, society is making them less severe than they otherwise would be. By contrast, those who would throw in jail unmarried couples who share a roof (whether or not they share a bed) are seeking to impose artificial consequences for the people's actions. For whatever reason, people tend to respond better to "natural" consequences than artificial ones, probably because in the latter case they blame whoever imposes the consequences while in the former case they have nobody to blame but themselves.

91 posted on 01/12/2003 8:51:52 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: DAnconia55
After five years of FReekers like 'spiff', it takes a lot to lo0se your cool.

He has a point.

He has no point that hasn't been made, ad nauseum, for 40/50 years now. The SS 'system' exists because the political system wanted it. Don't blame those who have fought that system for forty years or more.

Like it or not, you're beneficiary of stolen tax dollars in the form of intergenerational welfare payments.

And so are your grandparents, etc. -- Do you run about at family gatherings calling them thieves? - Get real and use your energy to change the system, instead of insulting your peers on FR.

92 posted on 01/12/2003 8:55:18 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
And so are your grandparents, etc. -- Do you run about at family gatherings calling them thieves? - Get real and use your energy to change the system, instead of insulting your peers on FR.

Odd. I would have imagined that you'd instantly understand and admit that All transfer payments are theft. Including Socialist Security.

It's no different than any other form of welfare.

But I won't belabor the point.

93 posted on 01/12/2003 8:57:37 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55; weikel
Bump for freedom. The sanctimonious authoritarian morialists can go to Hell.
94 posted on 01/12/2003 8:59:00 PM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: Misterioso; NMC EXP
recently read an opinion that the term "Fascism" was expropriated by the socialists to label the Nazis so as to distance themselves from Hitler's programs

Actually NMC EXP's definition is correct.

Private property/Gov't control = fascism.

Amerika is fascist now. We just haven't developed the snappy uniforms yet.

95 posted on 01/12/2003 8:59:21 PM PST by DAnconia55 (We will, though. And TV... LOTS of TV.....)
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To: DAnconia55
As history has proved time and again.
There is a time and a place for everything.
96 posted on 01/12/2003 8:59:22 PM PST by dtel (Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
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To: Sparta
The sanctimonious authoritarian morialists can go to Hell.

You're way overreacting.

tpaine is right like 95% of the time....

97 posted on 01/12/2003 9:00:44 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: dtel
Well, I'm waiting for 'again'.
98 posted on 01/12/2003 9:01:35 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
Wasn't attacking tpaine. I was attacking the guy who said live-ins should be arrested for adultery while claiming that was part of a free country.
99 posted on 01/12/2003 9:04:02 PM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: DAnconia55
Amerika is fascist now.

It pains my heart, but how could any rational person not come to this conclusion? The Chinese and Mexicans are as "Free" as we are.

100 posted on 01/12/2003 9:04:22 PM PST by dtel (Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
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