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Bristling Dixie: The ill-conceived school bans on cheesy Confederate T-shirt
The Slate ^ | January 9, 2003 | Dahlia Lithwick

Posted on 01/09/2003 7:45:41 PM PST by stainlessbanner

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1 posted on 01/09/2003 7:45:41 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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2 posted on 01/09/2003 7:46:27 PM PST by stainlessbanner (Deo Vindice)
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3 posted on 01/09/2003 7:47:50 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: stainlessbanner
BTTT!
4 posted on 01/09/2003 7:53:18 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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5 posted on 01/09/2003 7:53:19 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
In short, schools win by merely speculating that violence may break out or by resting on their authority to teach students to be sweet to one another. And this is precisely the sort of unbridled state discretion the First Amendment was designed to prevent. It lodges the exclusive power to limit or permit speech amid the preferences and prejudices of a single administrator or an elected school board.

We've been saying it for years. And soon it's going to come back and bite them in the rear. When something precious to all of the citizens in the respective states not born in God's own country is lost, all I can say is we told you so.

6 posted on 01/09/2003 7:57:10 PM PST by billbears (Good luck Sen. Graham, at least one of the Carolinas got a decent replacement Senator)
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To: stainlessbanner
Sniff, sniff....Did someone say Cheese?
8 posted on 01/09/2003 8:02:46 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: Hermann Cheruscan
According to the laws set forth by the national government and their thought police, yes he would have to go home and change his shirt
9 posted on 01/09/2003 8:03:45 PM PST by billbears (Good luck Sen. Graham, at least one of the Carolinas got a decent replacement Senator)
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To: stainlessbanner
And yet, "gansta rap" is still legal.
10 posted on 01/09/2003 8:22:04 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: stainlessbanner
The "Right Not To Be Offended" will soon supercede Freedom of Speech.
11 posted on 01/10/2003 4:04:10 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: stainlessbanner
To some Northerners and liberals, this is a semantic posture.....

Translation: You lying Southern scum, you're all racists, admit it! You don't deserve to live!!!

12 posted on 01/10/2003 4:27:36 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: stainlessbanner
For instance, in a Kansas case from 2000, a seventh-grader was suspended for drawing a Confederate flag in math class. The lower court upheld the suspension policy, citing the Tinker test of whether student disruption was likely, as well as the Fraser civility mandate. The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals agreed.

If that were the case, then the Supreme Court and President Eisenhower should have agreed with Governor Orval Faubus, that desegregation could not be implemented because of the likelihood of disruption.

13 posted on 01/10/2003 4:38:25 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: stainlessbanner
After all, the Confederate flag is not merely the proud symbol of the Ku Klux Klan. It is linked inextricably with slavery, Jim Crow, and violent white protest against mandatory desegregation.

As are the Stars and Bars, but we never hear that, do we? Thanks for the ping, Stainless.

14 posted on 01/10/2003 4:52:18 AM PST by TomServo
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To: stainlessbanner
After all, the Confederate flag is not merely the proud symbol of the Ku Klux Klan. It is linked inextricably with slavery, Jim Crow, and violent white protest against mandatory desegregation.

It's interesting how the Confederate flag (any version of it) is inexorably tied to these things while the American flag is not. Slavery existed under the American flag (1776-1865) much longer than under the Confederate flag (1861-1865). The American flag has been just as much of a KKK symbol as the Confederate flag. People need to wake up to this fact.

15 posted on 01/10/2003 6:46:13 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: billbears
TRUE

FRee dixie,sw

16 posted on 01/10/2003 9:35:39 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: aomagrat
SADLY, i fear you are correct!

NOW, the damnfools/damnyankees are demanding that CSA flags not be flown on PRIVATE PROPERTY!

will this STUPIDITRY never end?

FRee dixie,sw

17 posted on 01/10/2003 9:39:07 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: lentulusgracchus
WELL SAID!

FRee dixie,sw

18 posted on 01/10/2003 9:39:50 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: TomServo
the last time that the KKK marched in our "nation's murder capitol", there was not EVEN ONE CSA flag (thanks be to GOD!) in their parade of robed/hooded scum/idiots/morons/clymers/dumb-bunnies, but alas there was a LEGION of US FLAGS and HOLY BIBLEs!

also, the last time the A.N.S.W.E.R. IDIOTS marched on DC there were MANY US flags, carried right beside diamond-shaped yellow signs with black SWASTIKAS, some of which were printed with the message: KILL THE JEWS!

the FACT that bigots use a symbol or do NOT use a symbol does NOT make the symbol bad, but rather the PERSON is the problem.

before anyone starts banning ANY symbol, stop & think: "is MY symbol NEXT??"

FRee dixie NOW,sw

19 posted on 01/10/2003 9:49:37 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: stainlessbanner
Under the general rubric of "The Press Lies", the Atlanta Journal-Constitution spun the state-flag poll results this way in a January 5th Colin Campbell staff article on the subject:

The poll, published Thursday, suggested that the flag isn't very high on most Georgians' minds. In terms of urgency, it ranked way behind ethics reform and education.

[Minimize, minimize]

But most Georgians do feel they should have a say. Two-thirds of the 500 people questioned in the independent Zogby survey said voters should be consulted on flags, and a majority dislikes the new decal-coated 2001 flag. Yet only one in four Georgians, according to the poll, and only one in three white Georgians wants to return to the 1956 flag.

[Say what? Got that backed up? Or do we have a push question here?]

This last point seems important. Many political observers have assumed for years that, if put to a simple vote, the neo-Confederate flag of 1956 would win, buoyed by a huge majority of white male voters. But the reality is more complicated --- and surprisingly moderate.

[Soothing ooze of Dixie-snuffing liberal word-poison]

Perdue himself leaned toward moderation .... He might have added, but didn't, that the flag's eye-popping element, the Confederate battle emblem, is still widely linked with slavery, the Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow and the white Southern backlash against federal desegregation.

[Purdue didn't, because that's your opinion.]

In any case, whatever got Perdue elected, he now seems in touch with a relatively practical and nondivisive public mood. And that's good.

[Translation: "I think we can roll this guy over!"]

It's possible, of course, that the flag fight will turn bitter again. And that would be bad. [Because things might get away from us and our thought-control techniques.] So here are some calming thoughts:

[More oozing, Dixie-slaying poison coming right up...]

> The AJC poll reflected this sharp division: Many Georgians (mostly white) see the Confederate battle flag as representing "heritage and history," while many other Georgians (mostly black) see it as an emblem of "oppression and racial division." OK. Strong symbols are like that. But here's something nearly everybody can agree on: Flags aside, Georgia's history has known gallantry, sacrifice, tragedy, white supremacy, human bondage, cruelty, and more!

[This is called changing the subject while trivializing the issue.]

> It could turn out that a poorly designed popularity contest would drive Perdue and the Legislature to embrace the inflammatory 1956 flag. But it isn't likely, and the national Republicans wouldn't want that, and the AJC poll suggests the numbers just aren't there....

[Aha! A strategy emerges......Notice, this writer is speaking for the national Republican Party now? How'd he get so plugged in? Did he call Karl Rove? "....national Republicans wouldn't want...."!!]

....Maybe Atlantans, in particular, should stop being so fearful of popular Georgia opinion. The state really is changing.

[Notice, he uses the word "Atlantan" as a synonym for "African-American" or "black". Notice also the apparent opposition between "Georgia" and "Atlanta".]

> If a new flag is in the cards, so be it. It could be totally new, or partly new, or we could resurrect some earlier state flag. Two promising flags are the pre-1956 flag, which combined the state seal with a Confederate device of a noninflammatory type (red and white stripes); and the unofficial 1799 flag, which has the state seal on a field of blue.

And there it is. His argument boils down to, there is no mandate for the old flag.....there are no "Georgia crackers" any more.......we needn't pay attention to "those people" any more. All is well, the South is dead.

They just had an election and his side lost. Now here he is, like a typical liberal newspaperman, trying to steal a win out of a butt-whipping anyway.

20 posted on 01/11/2003 1:35:23 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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