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To: HAL9000
your recollections are 100% correct; and your gullability is very impressive also.

Of course it's true that the two CIA statements from late 98 and early 99 didn't have anything in them about Mena, no specifics. They were very short statements. The 1'st one said they'd beeninvolved in drug smuggling into the US. The second one said they'd been involved in this for 20 years. Also, in 1983 Attorney General William F Smith signed a letter that has been made public and I've seen here on FR that told the various 92 US Attorneys that there were cases where the CIA did not want them to prosecute drug cases and that the various 92 US Attorneys were to cooperate with the CIA. So, the only kind of person who denies that the CIA has been involved in drug smuggling are stupid idiots who don't give a damn about the truth.

But we must consider the context of the statements. There were many ex-CIA people and associates who were telling the press fantastic stories about drug smuggling. This included the fantastic Mena stories and other stories. In my opinion the purpose of the two statements was to tell the agents who were talking to the press to shut up. The CIA was confirming that they knew all about it and just didn't want to talk about it and didn't want anyone else to talk about it. Some CIA agents apparently didn't understand that top management was behind the drug smuggling and they had to be publicly told to get them to shut up.

Obviously the purpose of the press releases was not to inform the american public. The 2'nd press release was made on the saturday morning that Clinton was impeached, just a half hour after the vote. Obviously, they wanted to make the press release, but they didn't want the americans to know. They wanted their own CIA people to know that top management wanted them to shut up, that it was OK what happened and that if they continued, then they'll be killed. That, IMHO, was the purpose of the press releases.

To me it verifies that the fantastic stories are more true than false. But you are right in that the press releases did not actually confirm the wild fantastic stories.
35 posted on 01/09/2003 6:46:42 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: Red Jones
1 more thing about the CIA for those who are interested:

Did you see how they killed William Kolbe? I'm not sure I have the name or spelling exactly correct. But there was a man who was named William Colbe. But let me tell you a story about William colby so that you all can ask yourselves if it is good for our nation to be ruled by a monster that uses the CIA as it's enforcer.

As a young man they dropped Colby behind enemy lines in Germany. He worked as a spy. He survived. Then he became a part of the CIA, he worked as an agent undercover in many venues. He became eventually director of the CIA in mid 1980's?. Then he retired. But he stayed active. He had an association with Investor's Business Daily I think. He had a consulting firm.

Like all americans he knew those people at Waco were going to be murdered in the end. He got friends of his at the Alabama Air Guard to fly a plane from Alabama all the way to Texas to take a video of the terrible Waco events on April 19, 1993. This air crew flew without their commander's OK to Texas with an Alabama national guard plane. It was against Texas law, it was against all procedure. They did it because Bill Colby asked them to do it.

On that day they flew 5 miles away from the terrible spot where the Branch Davidians were. To fly closer would cause the federal monster's people to force you out of the sky. They filmed the terrible events with the special infra-red camera that would work from 5 miles away. That tape was funneled to William Colby after they made it. Then Colby circulated it to others. Because of this the Americans were able to see the video that shows American soldiers shooting guns at American civilians at waco Texas on that terrible day.

But of course you know the story. The americans are very gullible, whatever their tv masters tell them they believe. The tv masters refused to acknowledge the terrible evidence on waco, just as they refuse to acknowledge so much else. The CIA official who testified in the mid-1970's that they had 450 'assets' among the mainstream media knew what he was talking about. When the president said that the evil face on the smoke cloud that came out of the first building hit on 911 was quickly scrubbed by the US government's censors in the networks' own offices on that day was speaking the truth. They can kill stories at will.

But nevertheless, William Colby had done something bad. The media censors were able to control the damage, but the CIA was unhappy with its' former director, Bill Colby. So in the spring of 96 they had the Associated Press release a press statement. The press statement said that William Colby had drowned in a boating accident. People called William Colby's house to give condolences to his wife. At that time William Colby found out about the fake press release which reported his own death.

But the press release was just a warning, or a demonstration of their power. Maybe Colby didn't swear an oath of fealty, maybe they had always planned to kill him anyway. Either way, just one month after the fake press release William Colby did drown (spring of 96) in a boating accident just as the press release from a month earlier had said. Colby was found barefoot. The door to his house was open, his computer was on, logged onto the net, his food was at the table, not eaten. His wife said it was very uncharacteristic of him to leave his computer on like that and that it had never happened that he left his food partially eaten like that and left. So, they came to his house in the woods and forced him to the little river nearby where he normally rode his canoe and killed him there. He went out like a man, in his mid-70's the government assasins couldn't get him to put his shoes on.

He was director of the CIA, he was a war hero, he was a loyal american and they killed him over a policy dispute. Because Colby thought traditional American rule of law was important and the others didn't. Colby thought the waco killings were wrong.

Then we should consider Mr. Wilcher. Mr. Wilcher of the CIA defected and told some journalists about the real reasons for the Waco murders. Wilcher said it was to protect a CIA mind-control program located according to Wilcher very near Waco. What a coincidence, George Bush's ranch is very near Waco. Perhaps he is a subject of the program. According to Wilcher David Koresh and others were involuntarilly pressed into this program as teenagers. Koresh of course started out as the janitor at the branch davidians and became their leader. Wilcher says he was programmed to do it so the CIA could keep an eye on this group. But then Koresh and others allegedly 'woke up' and realized aspects of the mind control program. According to Wilcher the Branch Davidians had some chemical weapons and were going to use them. So, the CIA responded to this by dictating that all Branch Davidians should die in order to protect the public from having any knowledge of the mind control program. Colby disagreed with this out-of-control mentality and the murders. So, Colby eventually was murdered over it. Wilcher was murdered of course too, just 6 weeks after he defected. Wilcher died of a very rare disease in his home. Carlos Gugliatti(spelling incorrect) died of the same rare disease just a few days before he was scheduled to testify in the Waco case in federal court. Gughliatti was the expert who could interpret the funny infra-red video images. He was telling people horrible stories about how it was on video that they murdered those people at Waco. I remember reading here on FR posts from Gughliatti's lawyer just days before he was killed saying that he hopes Carlos is OK and then the same guy posted the news about Carlos being dead. Then the news media had the story about Carlos being killed.

These are the people we're dealing with, these are the people who rule us. The same people who killed John Kennedy are still in charge. Reagan didn't work for them, probably Carter didn't work for them, but the other presidents have ever since 1963.

They think they know what is best for the whole world. They bypass our democratic process and ignore our laws. They short-circuit and rig our elections. They discredit or even kill politicians they don't like. But they're bi-partisan, they work with both parties.
37 posted on 01/09/2003 7:23:30 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: Red Jones
your recollections are 100% correct; and your gullability is very impressive also.

Red, with all due respect, I've got a couple of questions for you.

When did you first hear of the so-called Mena scandal?

How much time did you spend in Mena and Springdale, Arkansas, talking to who were in a position to know the truth? What were their roles in the alleged events?

How many real Clinton scandals have you personally uncovered and publicized? If there were several, it will be sufficient to name the biggest two or three scandals you're responsible for exposing.

After you reply, we can compare our credentials and level of access in investigating the Mena allegations, and decide who is gullible and who isn't. Thanks in advance.

38 posted on 01/09/2003 8:57:43 PM PST by HAL9000
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