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Cop took just 3 seconds to shoot dog
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, January 9, 2003

Posted on 01/08/2003 11:35:54 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: FreedomCalls
Is it routine for a policeman to point a 12-gauge shotgun around...

The use of a shutgun by an officer providing backup during a felony stop seems like SOP to me. But does it really matter? A 9mm at point blank range would have had pretty much the same effect.

581 posted on 01/11/2003 8:13:22 PM PST by delacoert
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To: dtel
Note to self:
Quit reading the PETA threads.
582 posted on 01/11/2003 8:16:31 PM PST by dtel (Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
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To: patriciaruth
It was also possible he was bitten by a dog as a child and was more frightened than the average cop would be.

That's a whole bunch of psychobabble.

For my experience as a child, see post #541 on this thread.

583 posted on 01/11/2003 8:25:13 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
That's a whole bunch of psychobabble.

My point exactly.

584 posted on 01/11/2003 8:27:03 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: txzman
Everyone involved is very fortunate that the other officers did not interpret the gunshot to mean that the supposed criminals were firing on them and blow them all away.
585 posted on 01/11/2003 8:35:17 PM PST by arthurus (YOU'RE IT!)
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To: delacoert
I listen to a police scanner a fair amount of the time. Officers are frequently asked to stop vehicles for activites which they did not witness. The officers almost always ask why they are stopping the vehicle, what crimes were involved, and who reported the crime. The officers have a responsibility to know what they are doing and why for their own protection as well as for the protection of those they stop. The "just following orders" excuse fell out of favor over fifty years ago. Maybe it is making a comeback in some areas.
586 posted on 01/11/2003 8:39:13 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: patriciaruth
Fair enough.
587 posted on 01/11/2003 8:47:50 PM PST by Ken H
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To: FreePaul
I listen to a police scanner a fair amount of the time. Officers are frequently asked to stop vehicles for activites which they did not witness... The "just following orders" excuse fell out of favor...

From the beginning I have been posting a link to the story about the break-down in communiction from the THP dispatcher. The THP themselves concluded their own dispatcher screwed up. From that point on the communication to the Cookeville Police Officers was hopelessly inadequate. Think about it, the THP troopers, given flawed information, locate a car matching the description of the robbery suspect then ask for help from the Cookeville Police. The Cookeville Police then join in the felony stop based on information that is at least as bad. Now you want hold Cookeville Police Officer accountable for not knowing what was going on?

588 posted on 01/11/2003 8:58:22 PM PST by delacoert
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To: Lurking Libertarian
I'm a dog-lover and a (small-l) libertarian, but don't you think you're the one overreacting a bit here? Last time I checked, the crime of murder required a human victim.
278 posted on 01/09/2003 2:19 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian

-------------- That would be a wrong assumption. Kill a Law enforcement dog, and you will be charged with Murder!

589 posted on 01/11/2003 9:01:02 PM PST by Area51
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To: patriciaruth
And a cop is supposed to think about all that before obeying a radio command...

If a dog owner says "sic-um" (which did not happen here) his dog will be in jeopardy and the owner should be punished. If the dispatcher says "sic-um" to a police officer (which did happen here) the police officer who blindly obeys should punished along with the dispatcher. Any one in the chain of command who allowed this to happen should be looked at very carefully to see if they had any responsibility for this fiasco. If law enforcement wants to go to the circle the wagons mode then all of law enforcement should be held responsible.

590 posted on 01/11/2003 9:06:11 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: delacoert
"From the beginning I have been posting a link to the story about the break-down in communiction from the THP dispatcher. The THP themselves concluded their own dispatcher screwed up. From that point on the communication to the Cookeville Police Officers was hopelessly inadequate. Think about it, the THP troopers, given flawed information, locate a car matching the description of the robbery suspect then ask for help from the Cookeville Police. The Cookeville Police then join in the felony stop based on information that is at least as bad. Now you want hold Cookeville Police Officer accountable for not knowing what was going on?"

So, we give you this. The dispatcher screwed up.
Now how do we get from there to an officer of the law, with four other officers present, and the bad tourists handcuffed and kneeling on the pavement.
At this point one would think the situation defused, now all that is left is to secure the two dogs.
Instead they let one jump onto the highway and promptly shoot it within three seconds.
Betcha they shut the effing door so the other one didn't get out.

591 posted on 01/11/2003 9:11:02 PM PST by dtel (Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
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To: delacoert
Now you want hold Cookeville Police Officer accountable for not knowing what was going on?

No, I want to hold him accountable for not assessing the situation before shooting. Will he shoot me next if he "does not know what is going on"? Police work often involves operating in a fog of unknowing. You give the citizen the benefit of the doubt and presume he is innocent before being proved guilty. You don't "shoot first and answer questions later."

592 posted on 01/11/2003 9:12:46 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Ah. Lucky for you, Tennessee established a toll free number for busy-body outsiders to call in and complain about the way the good people of Tennessee choose to self-govern themselves there: 1-800-WHO-CARES.

593 posted on 01/11/2003 9:16:25 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Kevin Curry
Ok so you think its ok to shoot dogs, how about people...check out both videos here for more Tennessee windage.

http://www.newschannel5.com/news/investigates/shoot.htm
594 posted on 01/11/2003 9:16:59 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: FreedomCalls

Woah, imagine that: Doggie seatbelts for the personally responsible dog owner, readily available for only $16.99.

595 posted on 01/11/2003 9:21:00 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: mel
It wouldn't have mattered the breed of dog. Officer Hall was going to shoot the dog if it left the car, regardless.

He actually took less than three seconds to kill the dog. I re-watched the clip several times last night and need to make a correction. I said Hall panicked, but I was wrong. Only a cold, efficient and concentrated person could've killed this dog the way Hall did. One...two... then boom. The dog was dead.

Hall started moving his body into position (sideways and backward to left) to shoot the dog the very instant the dog exited the car. He got his bead, stepped forward and the dog is lying dead on the ground.

The last few times I watched the clip, I turned the sound off. (I simply couldn't stand listening again.)

596 posted on 01/11/2003 9:24:14 PM PST by keri (the dog looks like a stuffed animal)
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To: FreePaul
If the dispatcher says "sic-um" to a police officer (which did happen here) the police officer who blindly obeys should punished along with the dispatcher.

It's more complicated than that, and while I sort of agree with your point, I think the sic-um analogy breaks down.

THP dispatcher says sic-um to THP trooper. THP trooper (big-dogs) asks Cookeville Police (young-dogs) to come help while they sic-um. Young-dogs shows up and the big-dogs tell 'em to standby and provide back-up. A new threat shows up and young-dog screws-the-pooch. Bad young-dog.

Sorry about beating that analogy to death. 8~/

597 posted on 01/11/2003 9:27:01 PM PST by delacoert
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To: Cultural Jihad
Woah, imagine that: Doggie seatbelts for the personally responsible dog owner, readily available for only $16.99.

And what nifty gadgets do we have to make law enforcement officers personally responsible for their misdeeds?

598 posted on 01/11/2003 9:30:48 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

Not to worry. The People's Federal Kommissar on Doggie Feelings will intervene in this local self-policing issue.

599 posted on 01/11/2003 9:36:28 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: johnny7
It was in Marion County, Florida. The judge was a real ASS!
600 posted on 01/11/2003 9:38:01 PM PST by and_your_saying_this_because
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