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So I see, so the armed citizen is unable to protect himself against criminals then...very interesting.

When did I say that? You have a knack for putting words in people's mouths that they don't say. I said that the poli e are necessary as well. Only a moron would think that we could abolish all police and live in anything different than another Somalia.

I'm glad that the Founding Fathers didn't feel this way ...

And then let me guess once America became free the founders abolished all police? I don't think so.

I said; "So I see, so the armed citizen is unable to protect himself against criminals then...very interesting."

Your response; "When did I say that?"

This is the statement that YOU made that I was responding to; "For I am quite sure all these who say we should do away with cops that can supposedly protect themselves and their families in a nation where laws could not be enforced."

I guess you're so intellectually dishonest, you don't even understand the trash you are spewing.

"And then let me guess once America became free the founders abolished all police? I don't think so."

You bore me...you think that they had police at the founding of this country?

Until the mid-1800s Sheriffs were the law of the land...that's right, locally elected Sheriffs who deputized local militias when needed to "keep the peace".

In the 1830s, Philadelphia organized an independent, 24 hour a day, police force. In the 1840s, New York City had instituted its municipal police department. During this period, police departments were headed by police chiefs, appointed and accountable to political bosses. Corruption was rampant.

Go back and study the REAL history of America, and when you get a clue come back for an interesting discussion.

"...And then let me guess once America became free the founders abolished all police? I don't think so..."

The 'police', as they exist today, would be utterly alien to the Founding Fathers.

I'm confident that they would have 'abolished' them, had they existed then. (which they did not)

Local law enforcement at the time of the Founding Fathers was primarily the bailiwick of the Sheriff, whose office derives from the archaic English 'Shire Reeve'.

Not equivalent to a 21st Century policeman...

Not even close.