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Democrats scrambling to find strong liberal voices for media
Houston Chronicle ^ | January 5, 2002 | JIM RUTENBERG, New York Times

Posted on 01/05/2003 1:14:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

NEW YORK -- Influential Democrats, worried that their party has been outgunned in the political propaganda wars by conservative radio and television personalities, are scouring the nation for a liberal answer to Rush Limbaugh and the many others on the deep bench of Republican friends.

For years, Democrats have groused about their inability to balance what they see as the increasing influence over the electorate by advocates of Republican policies.

But they say their concerns have taken on a new urgency because of the rise to the top of the cable news ratings by the Fox News Channel, considered by liberals to have a conservative slant, and the loss of the Senate to the Republicans in November. Some Democrats say the election outcome enhanced the influence of Fox News and personalities like Limbaugh.

The efforts among influential Democrats, particularly liberals, range from a grass-roots talent search for progressive radio hosts to the creation of think tanks to provide a Democratic spin for the news media, to nascent discussions by wealthy supporters about starting a cable network with a liberal bent.

People working on these projects acknowledged they were venturing into territory where liberals have failed and failed again, most notably with the short-lived radio programs of Mario Cuomo and Texan Jim Hightower, not to mention Phil Donahue's struggling, liberal talk show on MSNBC.

However, they said, the recent Republican gains have perhaps set the backdrop for the emergence of an angry liberal who could claim the same outsider status that worked so well for Limbaugh in the early 1990s.

The hurried efforts by Democrats to find more powerful media voices comes after years of carping but little action.

"If you start from the premise that the message was right, which we do, then the problem was that it wasn't getting out to the people," said one official of the Democratic Party who spoke on condition that his name not be used.

With that sentiment, there is a sense within the leadership ranks that the party erred in not building a media support system after the 2000 presidential election, when it lost the media coordination of the Clinton White House.

"Across the board, we need to muscle up," said John Podesta, the former White House chief of staff for Bill Clinton and now a law professor at Georgetown University. "That means from the congressional operations to the party committees to the think tank world to, most significantly, beefing up our capacity to communicate with the public in all forms of media, not just through obscure Internet Web sites but on television and radio."

For his part, Podesta is discussing with Internet entrepreneur Steven T. Kirsch and others the creation of a liberal version of the Heritage Foundation, the conservative research group that, along with others of its kind, is credited with helping start the modern conservative movement.

The foundation is part of a circuit of influential conservative groups that are credited with helping to hone a singular conservative message, bolstered each Wednesday at back-to-back meetings held by Grover Norquist, the head of Americans for Tax Reform, and the conservative activist Paul Weyrich. Those meetings are monitored and at times attended by some conservative commentators, columnists and Internet writers.

Democrats have long claimed that the circuit has corralled conservative thinkers, and more importantly, conservative media, into a disciplined message of the week that gets repeated attention from Web sites like The Drudge Report, Limbaugh's radio show, Fox News' prime-time talk shows and the editorial pages of The Washington Times and The Wall Street Journal.

Kirsch, chief executive of the Propel Internet service and a prominent Democratic fund-raiser, said the foundation he and Podesta envision would do the same for liberals.

"During the last 10 years the opposition has become more organized and the liberals haven't adapted to counter it," he said. "We will have components that will include messaging, message delivery and coordination of progressive groups so progressives will speak with more of a unified voice."

But if history is any guide, the soil may not be fertile. Liberal radio programs have not worked very well in the past. Liberals and conservatives said they believed this was in part because the most prominent liberal hosts have tended to present policy issues in all of their dry complexity while refraining from baring fangs against their conservative opponents.

"Most liberal talk shows are so, you know, milquetoast, who would want to listen to them?" said Harry Thomason, the Hollywood producer who is close to Clinton. "Conservatives are all fire and brimstone."


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1 posted on 01/05/2003 1:14:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Bring back Phil Donahue! Oops, I guess we already tried that.
2 posted on 01/05/2003 1:16:38 AM PST by Russell Scott
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What an admission. They admit that Conservatives are more passionate.
3 posted on 01/05/2003 1:20:21 AM PST by byteback
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The obvious answer to their liberal talk show host problem is Ellen Ratner.

I don't know how long she would last, but she would probably outlast any other liberal talk show host they could find.

4 posted on 01/05/2003 1:20:59 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...to nascent discussions by wealthy supporters about starting a cable network with a liberal bent.

CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, Hollywood, and network primetime isn't enough?

5 posted on 01/05/2003 1:25:57 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Can't you see it coming? Bubba.
6 posted on 01/05/2003 1:28:39 AM PST by jporcus
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To: #3Fan
Liberals are like the devil, their trick is to convince people that they really don't exist. Noone at the networks will ever use the "L" word, but they show their true colors in more subtle ways.
7 posted on 01/05/2003 1:37:45 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: jporcus
Can't you see it coming? Bubba.

Do you think he has the self discipline to do a daily show?

8 posted on 01/05/2003 1:41:24 AM PST by billorites
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I suggest that O.J.Simpson would be the best, and certainly the most believable, candidate for liberal talk show host.
9 posted on 01/05/2003 1:43:08 AM PST by per loin
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Isn't it nice to know that we have them on the run in the real content media- radio talk shows and internet web sites.

The media that the liberals control is NOT interactive. It is the drool from a bunch of brainwashing broadcasters with no feedback, challenge or debate. Liberal media is all about transmitting information one way in a propaganda campaign.

The liberals have discovered that the interactive media of talk radio is politically devastating since it has an informed devout following who are debating all the contradictions in all issues. They now feel a need to end that debate.

Look for the liberals to brand talk radio as "hate speech" as they push for legislation to curtail "hate speech". They don't won't the debate, they just want the mindless transmitters, the way it was back in the 60's, 70's and 80's with the media practicing mind control.
10 posted on 01/05/2003 1:43:31 AM PST by putupjob
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Howard stern...tom lykes---jesse jackson and that comedian butch boy!
11 posted on 01/05/2003 1:45:05 AM PST by f.Christian
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The thinking public is on to them. No one likes or cares to listen to liars.
12 posted on 01/05/2003 1:46:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: billorites
>> Can't you see it coming? Bubba.

> Do you think he has the self discipline to do a daily show?

Unfortunately yes, although ultimately, I think he will fail. Clinton has this intense need to be needed, and so he'll be chomping at the bit to do this to "save" his party. Which is just fine with me! I can only hope that he will be a constant, in-everyone's-face reminder of what the left will stoop to in their desperation.
13 posted on 01/05/2003 1:50:08 AM PST by jporcus
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But if history is any guide, the soil may not be fertile. Liberal radio programs have not worked very well in the past. Liberals and conservatives said they believed this was in part because the most prominent liberal hosts have tended to present policy issues in all of their dry complexity while refraining from baring fangs against their conservative opponents.

LOL! The liberals still don't get it. One of the liberal reporters on FOX's Media Watch pretty much said the same thing today. They think they are smarter that conservatives. BAWHAHAHA!

14 posted on 01/05/2003 1:50:47 AM PST by Balata
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To: lewislynn
Ellen Ratner, Bernie Ward, Jesse Jackson, Vic Camber, yada yada yada. Put them on all the time. People would get so sick of the leftist tripe, they would sink the DemonCrap party forever.
15 posted on 01/05/2003 1:54:50 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: lewislynn
The obvious answer to their liberal talk show host problem is Ellen Ratner.

Ohhh! GOOD one! She can call he show 'RAT CHAT!

In fact, you can call just about any lib' slanted show 'RAT CHAT!

"Hey, dude, listened to Molly Ivens new talk radio program. Purdy kewl!."

"Oh, man. Don't tell me you listen to her! In fact, I don't listen to any of that goofy, looney-left RAT CHAT! I sure hope that you don't either!"

"Oh, uh, no way, dude. I meant 'purdy kewl once, but never again!'"

16 posted on 01/05/2003 1:57:23 AM PST by BradyLS
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But if history is any guide, the soil may not be fertile. Liberal radio programs have not worked very well in the past. Liberals and conservatives said they believed this was in part because the most prominent liberal hosts have tended to present policy issues in all of their dry complexity while refraining from baring fangs against their conservative opponents.
The truth is that journalism--a format in which the "informed" speak or write to the "uninformed"--is perfectly suited to the transmission of elitism, a.k.a. "liberalism." In journalism, it's never necessary to face up to mistakes; just talk about something else. Journalists are hardly shy about "baring fangs"; journalistic slighting of Republican presidential candidates as "stupid" are a quadrenial staple.

17 posted on 01/05/2003 2:00:30 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
After inviting radical feminists, antisemitic black activists, pedophile gay groups, Clintonites rapist of liberal youngins, all to defecating on the more reasonable liberals and taking their jobs, now Demonrats are coming back with farded faces and pleading them to come back and write some good well written articles. And the world goes round.
18 posted on 01/05/2003 2:03:45 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The funniest thing is that Limbaugh really is so devastating to those scums because he gives you the dirty little information about HOW and WHAT the liberals lie about. It shows their hypocrisies, their politics in everything, he gives you the information the "mainstream", justifiably called "LIBERAL MEDIA" intentionally leaves out or fails to report as to always paint the Republicans bad. You can just see how the media is anti-Bush constantly. Limbaugh exposes it and it's always amusing when they like to label him a "liar", but the most telling is when they refuse to answer what exactly he is "lying" about. They will have problems because they have no respect for the truth and their policies, when discussed truthfully, are a bunch of lies too. And it all comes down to the truth because when people want to know it or be informed and actually think about it, the Demonrats are in trouble and that's what is doing their party in because politics is personal and they are failures in decency and truth.
19 posted on 01/05/2003 2:24:59 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: #3Fan
And don't forget PBS and NPR. Those are already funded by the taxpayers.
20 posted on 01/05/2003 2:27:55 AM PST by Bernard
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