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Calls for tougher gun laws after girls shot (BARF ALERT)
Reuters/MSN ^ | 03/01/2003 | Michael Holden

Posted on 01/03/2003 7:18:49 PM PST by David Hunter

The government is facing calls for tough new gun laws following the killing of two teenage girls outside a New Year party in a suspected gangland battle. Latisha Shakespear, 17, and Charlene Ellis, 18, died in hail of bullets in a gunfight involving a submachinegun after they briefly left the party at a hairdressing salon to get some fresh air on Thursday. Charlene's twin sister Sophie and a fourth girl Cheryl Shaw, 17, were also wounded in the incident in Birmingham which brought renewed demands for action against increasing gun violence on the country's streets.

The Home Office said on Friday it was considering a change to the law for a five-year minimum sentence for anyone caught illegally carrying a firearm. The Conservative Party said the idea of minimum sentences should be looked at. "Historically there's been a tendency not to impose draconian sentences. I think the time may have come when we have got to reconsider that," Conservative spokesman Dominic Grieve said.

Gun crime has become a serious issue in Britain with police reporting a rise in incidents in recent months. In December, London police chief Sir John Steven warned that the number of shootings in the capital was rocketing with gangsters prepared to use their weapons on the police and each other more readily. He said there were 200 shootings in the capital alone in the last eight months, a rise of almost 17 percent compared to the same period last year, with 22 murders. Last month, the police chief constables sent plans to the Home Office to hold a gun amnesty later in the year to cut the number of illegally-owned weapons. More than 60,000 guns were handed in during similar amnesties following the massacre of 16 children and their teacher by crazed gunman Thomas Hamilton in the Scottish town of Dunblane in 1996 and after Michael Ryan shot dead 16 people in Hungerford in 1987.

Most shootings are related to drug-fuelled turf wars but Thursday's shooting involving four innocent girls has provoked horror and fear across Britain. "This was a senseless incident and a senseless loss of life," Detective Superintendent Dave Murphy told reporters on Friday. "These girls were not members of any gang. They were merely out for a night out with friends." He said more than 30 shots had been fired during the exchange of gunfire. More than sixty detectives are hunting the killers and patrols by armed officers were being stepped up across the city to reassure the public, police said. "We need to show we mean business. Quite simply we cannot tolerate these sorts of offences. They're quite exceptional in their brutality," Chief Superintendent David Shaw said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; laws
More gun laws on the way!!! What will the statist scum who run Britain think of next? Mandatory execution for looking at a handgun perhaps? Whoops, they don't believe in executing people, they find it much easier to just lock them up at the tax payers' expense.

The Home Office said on Friday it was considering a change to the law for a five-year minimum sentence for anyone caught illegally carrying a firearm.

Oh that'll help! (sarcasm). Don't they realise that the yardies and their contemporaries just won't be so careless about leaving any witnesses if they decide to impose tough sentences for owning and using handguns?

Detective Superintendent Dave Murphy told reporters on Friday. "We need to show we mean business".

Then its time to move over and let us deal with the bastards. Your method of dealing with violent professional criminals and gun crime has obviously completely failed. As Churchill once said when requesting larger weapons shipments from the US: "give us the tools and we will finish the job". Let the British citizenry carry firearms and defend themselves with deadly force if necessary and watch the gangsters, muggers and burglars run for their lives. Its time for British CCW, move over Tony "turd way" Blair.

1 posted on 01/03/2003 7:18:49 PM PST by David Hunter
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To: *bang_list
bang
2 posted on 01/03/2003 7:20:16 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: David Hunter
First, when I read your posts, I feel there is hope for Britain. Second, you're right, Britain needs to bring back the death penalty. Third, I thought submachine guns were already illegal.
3 posted on 01/03/2003 7:22:27 PM PST by Sparta
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"Let the British citizenry carry firearms and defend themselves ... "

Dear England, please consider what we did to you a few hundred years ago.

Follow the leader ... you'll be glad you did.

4 posted on 01/03/2003 7:30:59 PM PST by knarf
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To: Sparta
Having capital punishment for murder is a good detterent, of course. But it must be brought in along with CCW; otherwise it just makes the criminals more desperate to do whatever is necessary to cover up their crimes and does nothing to protect those unfortunate enough to be attacked by gangsters and psychopaths.

Best regards,
5 posted on 01/03/2003 7:32:45 PM PST by David Hunter
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To: The Obstinate Insomniac
The usual erudite brilliance from our friends across the pond.

Those Europeans sure know a lot about crime.

6 posted on 01/03/2003 7:35:58 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Reactionary
They're learning.
7 posted on 01/03/2003 7:43:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Paleo Conservative; MadIvan; bonesmccoy; Still Thinking; Conservative til I die; bernie_g; DBtoo; ..
Ping
8 posted on 01/03/2003 7:45:12 PM PST by David Hunter
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David, I made a prediction that when the British Government would stop handing out such wimpy sentences the criminals would stop leaving witnesses. In short, the murder rate was going to go up.

I predict unless the British government reverses their policies against the formerly gun owning public, the murder rate will look like South Africa's in ten years.
9 posted on 01/03/2003 8:20:05 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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Oh no David Hunter, I am sad to see this. I didn't know Britian now has gangs with submachine guns. This is crazy and very disappointing to hear. I don't believe in gun control, because then only the criminals and (British?!) gang-bangers will have guns and then the real chaos would break out. This is bad news though. I'm wondering if it's safe anywhere anymore besides in arctic regions.

I'm also a bit surprised they have names like "Latisha Shakespear" in Britian. That sounds very inter-city American.

10 posted on 01/03/2003 9:09:45 PM PST by DBtoo
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I think that they should make shooting people illegal.
That would stop them from shooting people.
11 posted on 01/03/2003 9:19:51 PM PST by Dudesdad
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I think that they should make shooting people illegal. That would stop them from shooting people. Absolutely--making shooting people a crime will stop all those people who weren't likely to shoot someone anyway from shooting someone. Plus it will definitely show Jonathon and Margaret Teatime that their government is actively working to look out for their interests with measures which have great symbolic value. Next up -- suspend that dreary "probable cause" thing. Lawful citizens have no need of it anyway, now do they?
12 posted on 01/04/2003 3:24:05 AM PST by Quiller
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To: David Hunter
This is the logical result of having an unwritten constitution, David.

Look at how the Liberals play word games with our written Constitution here in the USA. On your side of the pond whimsical politicians can change the meaning on a daily basis.

We've all got to get busier on holding the pols feet to the fire when it comes to our hard won rights as citizens.

13 posted on 01/04/2003 4:01:27 AM PST by metesky
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Last month, the police chief constables sent plans to the Home Office to hold a gun amnesty...

HA! Like any punk with a machinegun or sidearm is gonna show up.

14 posted on 01/04/2003 4:24:42 AM PST by johnny7
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Gun crime has become a serious issue in Britain with police reporting a rise in incidents...

since firearms have been outlawed.

15 posted on 01/04/2003 4:45:46 AM PST by BikerTrash
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To: BikerTrash
Yeah, Ya gotta problem with speeders going 60 kph in a 45 kph zone, Lower the speed limit to 30 kph. That'll fix em :-))

TTFTH!!!
16 posted on 01/04/2003 7:45:00 AM PST by erlnwndy
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