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To: Tired of Taxes; Lil'freeper
Good for them! Great historical tidbits- thanks.....Lil'freeper

So, you see nothing wrong with a government-established/endorsed/subsidized organization that has a religious requirement for boys to enter and then, by using a government charter, doesn't allow the boys denied admission to establish their own group?.....Tired of Taxes

Do you just make this up as you go along?

The Boy Scouts of America is not a "government-established" organization. It does have an Honorary Congressional Charter that gives it exclusive rights to the names "Boy Scouts of America", "Scout", "Boy Scouting", and "Scouting", as used within the United States. If it did not have an Honarary Congressional Charter, the BSA names and BSA logos would then be copyrighted by the BSA and be just as secure as the names and logos of "Coke", "Pepsi" and "Playboy".

The are over 80 organizations with Honorary Congressional Charters protecting their names. Two of these are the Jewish War Veterans, U.S.A. and the Daughters of the American Colonists, neither of which I qualify for membership in.

Your BSA argument as applied to Jewish War Veterans, U.S.A. is as follows:

If a Catholic war veteran is denied admission into the Jewish War Veterans, U.S.A, that represents a case of "a government-established/endorsed/subsidized organization that has a religious requirement for veterans to enter and then, by using a government charter, doesn't allow the veterans denied admission to establish their own group."

That argument is a lie.

There is absolutely nothing that prevents the Catholic veterans from establishing their own group that is limited to Catholics or open to all.

They can form their own group with their own admission criteria and call it "Catholic War Veterans" or "Catholic Vietnam War Veterans" or "Lapsed Catholic War Veterans" or "Gay War Veterans" or "Atheist War Veterans" and the apply for an Honorary Congressional Charter to protect their name in lieu of obtaining a copyright.

The only restriction is that the new group can't call itself "Jewish War Veterans". That name is already taken.

305 posted on 01/05/2003 2:52:08 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
They can form their own group with their own admission criteria and call it "Catholic War Veterans" or "Catholic Vietnam War Veterans" or "Lapsed Catholic War Veterans" or "Gay War Veterans" or "Atheist War Veterans" and the apply for an Honorary Congressional Charter to protect their name in lieu of obtaining a copyright. The only restriction is that the new group can't call itself "Jewish War Veterans". That name is already taken.

Exactly.

319 posted on 01/05/2003 4:23:59 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Polybius
Your BSA argument as applied to Jewish War Veterans, U.S.A. is as follows: If a Catholic war veteran is denied admission into the Jewish War Veterans, U.S.A, that represents a case of "a government-established/endorsed/subsidized organization that has a religious requirement for veterans to enter and then, by using a government charter, doesn't allow the veterans denied admission to establish their own group." That argument is a lie.

You misunderstood my argument. That's not what I was saying at all. What I'm pointing out is that the Jewish War Veterans, for example, do not have a trademark on the name "veterans". That is, anyone else who is non-Jewish can create their own organization. Thus, I'm saying exactly what you're saying here:

There is absolutely nothing that prevents the Catholic veterans from establishing their own group that is limited to Catholics or open to all.

401 posted on 01/07/2003 7:01:52 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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